06-23-2015, 01:03 PM
(06-22-2015, 04:30 PM)fredtoast Wrote: 1. Of course it is easy to improve a team when you take over a loser like all of these guys did, 2. but Kelly, Reid, Arians have all failed to win a playoff game with their new teams.
3. Also funny that you did not mention Chan Gailey, Doug Marone, Mark Trestman, Eric Mangini, Pat Shurmur, Rob Chudzinski, Mike Pettine, Jason Garrett, Rob Marinelli, Jim Schwartz, Mike Mularky, Gus Bradley, Joe Philbin, Leslie Frazier, Lane Kiffen, Tom Cable, Norv Turner, Art Shell, Dennis Allen, Tony Sparano, Steve Spagnuolo, Scott Linehan, Jeff Fisher, Raheem Morris, Greg Shiano, Mike Munchak, Ken whisenhunt, Jim Zorn, Mike Shanahan, or Jay Gruden.
4. I am not saying that Marvin is a great coach. If someone could say they had a proven upgrade to replace him with then I would be all for letting him go. But change just for the sake of change does not fix anything.
5. The Bengals have rarely been favored to win a playoff game under Marvin. BUt if we are a 7 point favorite at home like we were against the Chargers and fold again, then I would consider taking a chance on an unknown to replace him.
1. So I guess you don't give Marv much credit for the turnaround in 2003? After all, it's easy.
2. Kelly, Reid and Arians have each been with their current team's for two years. After two years, Marv hadn't even been to the playoffs, so all of these coaches are ahead of where he was. Perhaps if they get 11 more years like Marv, they'll manage to win playoff games.
3. Thanks for helping me prove my point to J24. Coaching matters and is not overrated.
4. Say Marvin loses another playoff game, extending his playoff record to 0-7. Would firing him really be "change for the sake of change"?
5. This argument is so silly. As if underdogs never win. I wonder how many times the underdog has won in the playoffs over the last 5 years or so? I'm pretty sure the 2012 Ravens were underdogs all the way through the Super Bowl. They won 3 straight road games. We shouldn't have to be 7 point home favorites to be upset about a playoff loss. Especially when the losses have been so embarrassing and so numerous.
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