07-13-2015, 11:01 AM
(07-13-2015, 10:40 AM)djs7685 Wrote: I'm still sort of confused at the 17-20 guys.
QBs clearly better than Andy...
Rodgers
Brady
P Manning
Brees
Rivers
Roethlisberger
Luck
Romo
Wilson
Ryan
Flacco (his postseason numbers since 2010 puts him ahead of any middle tier QBs)
Those are not even debatable at this point. That's 11 guys that have proven to be better than Andy (at least for now). If you have Andy higher than 12, you're flat out wrong. Sure, opinions can't technically be "wrong", but you're wrong.
Here's where it gets tricky. If you have him in the 17-20 tier, you have to put between 5-8 guys left ahead of Andy Dalton.
Carson Palmer - maybe
Matt Cassell - no
Cam Newton - arguable for sure
Jay Cutler - maybe
Jake McCown - no
Matt Stafford - arguable
Bobby Hoyer - lol Bobby. But no.
Blake Bortles - I honestly think he can/will be better, huge Bortles fan, but he's not right now
Alex Smith - no
Ryan Tannehill - maybe
Teddy Bridgewater - see Bortles
Eli Manning - probably better than Andy
Geno Smith - no
Derek Carr - see Bortles
Sam Bradford - no
Colin Kaepernick - maybe
Nick Foles - no
Jameis Winston - no
Marcus Mariota - no
Robert Griffin III - no
Similar to bfine's lists except we see things slightly different at times. I have a hard time with 17-20 because that would mean that almost all of the guys that are arguable or maybe better than Andy would have to go ahead of him. I can see definitely putting a couple ahead, but 5-7? That's tough, even for someone that doesn't think he's a great QB. I don't even think there's a way to argue that he's 21 or worse either.
I actually think Andy compares pretty well to Eli in terms of (regular season) career trajectory
