(06-12-2017, 06:24 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: [ -> ]I actually thought Bodine played better in short yardage last year. I was surprised to see that there seemed to be a lot of problems at both Guard spots. It makes sense with Boling's injury, but Zeitler wasn't moving people at all. I am excited to see what we get out of Redmond/Westerman/Smith.
If Bodine doesn't take the next step early on, we may see TJ Johnson at Center.
Isn't this a contract year, for Bodine?
(06-13-2017, 09:06 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, sir!
Well then, get ready for plenty of talk from the staff about how Bodine has really taken command of the OL, and how he's really "turned the corner" in his ongoing development process.
(06-13-2017, 11:16 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: [ -> ]Well then, get ready for plenty of talk from the staff about how Bodine has really taken command of the OL, and how he's really "turned the corner" in his ongoing development process.
But you know what happens if he signs somewhere else ......
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(06-12-2017, 06:24 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: [ -> ]I actually thought Bodine played better in short yardage last year. I was surprised to see that there seemed to be a lot of problems at both Guard spots. It makes sense with Boling's injury, but Zeitler wasn't moving people at all. I am excited to see what we get out of Redmond/Westerman/Smith.
If Bodine doesn't take the next step early on, we may see TJ Johnson at Center.
I never really understood this, Bodine getting blamed as much as he does. Sure the guy isn't pro-bowl material, however he isn't as bad as most fans think. I wasn't as big of a Zeitler fan as most here. Boling wasn't playing very well either, understanding he was injured. There have been plenty of times both our guards were beaten badly. You can throw PFF rankings and rating out the window, it's BS anyways.
(06-13-2017, 11:24 AM)BenZoo2 Wrote: [ -> ]But you know what happens if he signs somewhere else ......
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Oh yeah, he'll emerge as a beast, but at least we'll get a late round comp pick out of the deal.
(06-12-2017, 06:24 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: [ -> ]I actually thought Bodine played better in short yardage last year. I was surprised to see that there seemed to be a lot of problems at both Guard spots. It makes sense with Boling's injury, but Zeitler wasn't moving people at all. I am excited to see what we get out of Redmond/Westerman/Smith.
If Bodine doesn't take the next step early on, we may see TJ Johnson at Center.
Imagine if Ogbuehi and Fisher actually impress at OT this year and two of Bodine, Johnson, Redmond, and Westerman actually improve enough to be quality starters by year's end too.
That would be a dream.
(06-13-2017, 12:15 PM)ochocincos Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine if Ogbuehi and Fisher actually impress at OT this year and two of Bodine, Johnson, Redmond, and Westerman actually improve enough to be quality starters by year's end too.
That would be a dream.
I hope they perform at least at NFL average this year and the improvement and talent is noticeable. That would really open up next years draft
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(06-13-2017, 11:16 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: [ -> ]Well then, get ready for plenty of talk from the staff about how Bodine has really taken command of the OL, and how he's really "turned the corner" in his ongoing development process.
I'm not so sure they even believed he was as bad as others think he is. Remember the "witch hunt" bit PA threw out? IMO they believe he's a quality starter, and with that, I fully expect him to be extended.
(06-13-2017, 11:50 AM)sandwedge Wrote: [ -> ]I never really understood this, Bodine getting blamed as much as he does. Sure the guy isn't pro-bowl material, however he isn't as bad as most fans think. I wasn't as big of a Zeitler fan as most here. Boling wasn't playing very well either, understanding he was injured. There have been plenty of times both our guards were beaten badly. You can throw PFF rankings and rating out the window, it's BS anyways.
Where would you rank Bodine as a starting center in the NFL?
(06-13-2017, 12:15 PM)ochocincos Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine if Ogbuehi and Fisher actually impress at OT this year and two of Bodine, Johnson, Redmond, and Westerman actually improve enough to be quality starters by year's end too.
That would be a dream.
I hope they perform at least at NFL average this year and the improvement and talent is noticeable. That would really open up next years draft
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(06-13-2017, 11:16 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: [ -> ]Well then, get ready for plenty of talk from the staff about how Bodine has really taken command of the OL, and how he's really "turned the corner" in his ongoing development process.
Did you see the most recent post about Dielman? He was saying that Center is his favorite position, and doesn't know how good he can be with just one season at the position. Doesn't sound like he is shying away from any competition....and competition always improves the breed.
(06-13-2017, 11:50 AM)sandwedge Wrote: [ -> ]I never really understood this, Bodine getting blamed as much as he does. Sure the guy isn't pro-bowl material, however he isn't as bad as most fans think. I wasn't as big of a Zeitler fan as most here. Boling wasn't playing very well either, understanding he was injured. There have been plenty of times both our guards were beaten badly. You can throw PFF rankings and rating out the window, it's BS anyways.
Though I don't completely buy in to the BS evaluation of PFF, I agree that it was the entire interior of the line. Couldn't get any push in short yardage. I know not having Hewitt only placed greater emphasis on the inability of the line of get a push in short yardage. Hewitt, fully healthy this year, should have a positive impact on the running game. I would also like to see him get a few more targets as an H-back in the passing game. Keeps defenses guessing and they are not 100% certain of rushing plays when Hewitt is on the field.
(06-13-2017, 12:15 PM)ochocincos Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine if Ogbuehi and Fisher actually impress at OT this year and two of Bodine, Johnson, Redmond, and Westerman actually improve enough to be quality starters by year's end too.
That would be a dream.
Well, no one could say the Bengals didn't do everything they could (short of replacing them) to help.
More weapons on offense and a vertical threat like Ross to keep safeties back of the LOS. A powerful running back that can also catch and help in blitz pick up. A healthy FB/HB in Hewitt back 100%. They have stood behind them as the RT and LT of the future heading in to mini-camps. No one is pushing them out of the job. It is sink or swim at this point. I really believe that a full offseason of good health, and the aforementioned additions, that they will swim and swim well.
(06-13-2017, 12:39 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: [ -> ]Where would you rank Bodine as a starting center in the NFL?
I would definitely put him him in the lower tier. I guess I didn't articulate might thought that well. There were loads of plays where Boling and Zietler shit the bed and people laid all the blame on Bodine because the pressure came up the middle.. There was a picture of the Giants game on here recently, Zietler was sitting on his butt after getting bull rushed and Andy was under 4 bodies. People thought Zietler walked on water around here for reason, I never saw it....
I think we're going to see WJIII go through some growing pains which is to be expected and of course the fans who will declare him a bust the first time he blows an assignment. I really hope I'm wrong, but I expect that he'll have to learn a few things as a CB the hard way.
What I don't really expect is that his growing pains will cost us a lot of games..
Corner backs typically don't become big stars right off the bat the way running backs can and often do.
(06-14-2017, 02:32 PM)grampahol Wrote: [ -> ]I think we're going to see WJIII go through some growing pains which is to be expected and of course the fans who will declare him a bust the first time he blows an assignment. I really hope I'm wrong, but I expect that he'll have to learn a few things as a CB the hard way.
What I don't really expect is that his growing pains will cost us a lot of games..
Corner backs typically don't become big stars right off the bat the way running backs can and often do.
The fact that Adam Jones could be suspended might be a blessing in disguise. (Frankly, I wanted him released after I heard the audio of him with that police officer, but that has had its share of discussion). If WJIII gets to start outside for the first 3-4 games, he might have some growing pains, but will be better prepared for the end of the season.
I was ecstatic when we drafted him, and I can't wait to see him on the field.
28 PBUs in a single season is downright ridiculous. Teams weren't even going at his side of the field, and he STILL put up those kind of numbers.
(06-14-2017, 09:12 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: [ -> ]Did you see the most recent post about Dielman? He was saying that Center is his favorite position, and doesn't know how good he can be with just one season at the position. Doesn't sound like he is shying away from any competition....and competition always improves the breed.
I've thought that Dielman was an interesting selection. Though I admit that I haven't really watched him play, from what I've read, he was doing very well at Center the five games before the injury.
