(12-28-2017, 11:02 AM)Yojim bo Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, what kind of paint you into a corner question is this? There are plenty of o-linemen that are big and athletic. We just need a better coach and better investment in lineman and stop treating them like they're the least important part of the team.
Haha, wasn't intending to paint anyone into any corners.
Obviously there is a spectrum of Big/Athletic and all Lineman are both to some degree.
I guess a better question would be, if you were running the Bengals, and on draft day there are 2 1st round quality lineman on the board, which do you take? One is bigger but a little less athletic, the other is smaller but has shown better movement.... which do you prefer?
I think BECAUSE our coaching is crummy, I would go with big... at least they are harder to push back into the QB...
Which do you like more? Ogb (Athletic) or Andre Smith (Big)... Clearly both 'Big' and 'Athletic' can be bad at their jobs lol
(12-28-2017, 11:13 AM)Interceptor Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe sumo wrestlers?
Like in the movie "The Replacements"?
The word athletic is intentionally entirely too vague. Let's define athletic for a moment..
Definition of athletic for English Language Learners
- : of or relating to athletes
- : of or relating to sports, games, or exercises
- : used by athletes : used during or for sports, games, or exercises
Well! That's a big help. This pretty much describes everyone who ever even so much as played backyard kick ball..or just stood around watching other people play. It really doesn't help in defining a good, solid NFL offensive lineman though now does it?
(12-28-2017, 01:59 PM)grampahol Wrote: [ -> ]The word athletic is intentionally entirely too vague. Let's define athletic for a moment..
Definition of athletic for English Language Learners
- : of or relating to athletes
- : of or relating to sports, games, or exercises
- : used by athletes : used during or for sports, games, or exercises
Well! That's a big help. This pretty much describes everyone who ever even so much as played backyard kick ball..or just stood around watching other people play. It really doesn't help in defining a good, solid NFL offensive lineman though now does it?
Definition of Big:
- Of considerable size, extent or intensity
- Of considerable importance, or seriousness
I guess we better go with Big
(12-28-2017, 10:28 AM)Wyche Wrote: [ -> ]You want Nasty Nate Livings? Is that you Piano Man? 
Seriously though, if I was building a line, I would want big with an attitude of a grizzly bear if I'm stocking an oline. You do need some athleticism to be able to handle the speed edge rushers in today's game, but give me a Butterbean with the footwork of Sugar Ray Leonard at OT....and a buncha bar room brawlers in the middle.
I think we have those guys already on the team. Redmond and Westerman. I have an idea brewing in my head right at the moment, permantly moving Boling to LT and Redmond or Westerman to LG ... I think with an offseason of Boling working at LT he could be pretty good. Pretty much the only thing bad I could I say about last week, was he gave up to much ground on the sack he allowed. He back peddled almost into Andy
(12-28-2017, 02:01 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: [ -> ]Definition of Big:
- Of considerable size, extent or intensity
- Of considerable importance, or seriousness
I guess we better go with Big
Big is a much better starting point here..Mean would also help. A little girls gymnastics team is sufficiently athletic..
(12-28-2017, 01:48 PM)PV Bengal Wrote: [ -> ]Like in the movie "The Replacements"?
Yes! But did you ever see the hand technique and footwork in sumo wrestling?
(12-28-2017, 03:53 PM)Wyche Wrote: [ -> ]Dilly! Dilly!
They won't grab, but they'll still take you down! DILLY DILLY!!!
(12-28-2017, 02:12 PM)sandwedge Wrote: [ -> ]I think we have those guys already on the team. Redmond and Westerman. I have an idea brewing in my head right at the moment, permantly moving Boling to LT and Redmond or Westerman to LG ... I think with an offseason of Boling working at LT he could be pretty good. Pretty much the only thing bad I could I say about last week, was he gave up to much ground on the sack he allowed. He back peddled almost into Andy
You may be right......I didn't get to see the game because the Lexington affiliates said "eff the Bengals"
, so I can't really comment on their play.
(12-28-2017, 02:12 PM)sandwedge Wrote: [ -> ]I think we have those guys already on the team. Redmond and Westerman. I have an idea brewing in my head right at the moment, permantly moving Boling to LT and Redmond or Westerman to LG ... I think with an offseason of Boling working at LT he could be pretty good. Pretty much the only thing bad I could I say about last week, was he gave up to much ground on the sack he allowed. He back peddled almost into Andy
...by design. Paul Alexander’s scheme makes for a too-small rapidly collapsing pocket.
I think Westerman played a lot of center in college. Still wondering why we've never seen him practice there
(12-28-2017, 09:30 PM)bonesaw Wrote: [ -> ]I think Westerman played a lot of center in college. Still wondering why we've never seen him practice there
He started 25 games at ASU.
All at LG.
I think people are too caught up in big vs athletic.
Big doesn't mean not athletic and athletic doesn't mean small.
Big guys who aren't athletes will likely struggle.
Athletic guys who don't play big will likely struggle.
It's about finding the balance.
It's too early to tell right now because we are likely to see a new coach and a new system.
That will dictate much of what we do. Personally, I'd like to get some guys who can move and get the second level blocks in so we can run more gun and maximize Gio and Mixon
The trick is to find big and athletic guys.
But if having to vote, going with big.
Agree with Sunset though that attitude is a big part of it.