(03-24-2018, 08:17 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: [ -> ]So that's 2 teams in the last 6 years (Pats and Seahawks). Maybe those 2 teams had solid LBs, but nobody looked at those teams and said "boy those LBs are what got them to championships". I don't think that was ignorance on everyone's part. There was legitimately many players that played bigger roles to get to those titles.
Wilson, Lynch and the Legion of Boom were bigger reasons for that title than Wagner. I don't think many would argue otherwise.
I know about all those other things, but Lewis was a liability physically. You balance those things out and he was average at best. He was getting exposed a lot. It was kinda sad to watch if you saw his prime.
Maybe our history with LBs makes me a little more jaded, but still, I think 4-3 LB is pretty far down the list of important positions on a championship team. I'd put QB, o-line, RB/run game, d-line and CBs above LBs. Maybe other positions if the player is capable of being an x-factor (think Eifert when healthy, although I know you disagree there).
If you talk to people that Follow the Seahawks they would say Wagner is the Key to the Defense. Him and KJ Wright are beasts.
I think we need two LBers early in this draft.
I can’t agree here. We absolutely need to finish the rebuild of the Offensive Line. If we grab a RT and C and Pollack does what we hope he does the effect on the team will be bigger than a LB would be. Just imagine if we can actually run the ball effectively and form actual pockets with noses. If we get to an OL that can control the LOS and let us consistently pickup those short yardage downs and such it will mitigate our second half coaching weirdness a lot.
(03-25-2018, 01:44 AM)Joelist Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t agree here. We absolutely need to finish the rebuild of the Offensive Line. If we grab a RT and C and Pollack does what we hope he does the effect on the team will be bigger than a LB would be. Just imagine if we can actually run the ball effectively and form actual pockets with noses. If we get to an OL that can control the LOS and let us consistently pickup those short yardage downs and such it will mitigate our second half coaching weirdness a lot.
Well we were running the ball good at the end of the year anyway. Now we got Glenn. And the addition by subtraction getting rid of bodine,and if they keep ced out the o line. They could be using Fisher at right tackle any way he was a high pick. I'm all for drafting a center and tackle,but I'm also concerned for Vontaze being out or being thrown out. I just feel it's going to ruin our year. Something always does. I think it's going to be that or Andy getting injured.
(03-25-2018, 12:42 AM)Jakeypoo Wrote: [ -> ]If you talk to people that Follow the Seahawks they would say Wagner is the Key to the Defense. Him and KJ Wright are beasts.
Bobby Wagner was not the key to that championship. Period. He was not what held opponents to a 63.4 passer rating and 28 INT's. He was not why Seattle was 4th in rushing and 7th in passer rating. Guess we'll just have to disagree.
In the playoffs that year, Wagner had 34 tackles (only 17 solo) and no big plays. Meanwhile, LoB held Brees, Kaepernick and Peyton Manning to a combined 74.7 rating in what was probably the prime of each player (Peyton and Kaep had career years). Lynch finished 6th in the NFL in rushing and 1st in TD's. He continued this in the playoffs, rushing for 288 yards and 4 TD's in 3 games.
If you want a LB and value them more than I do, fine. I get that, but I'm not sure how anyone could objectively look at these facts and come out saying Wagner was the key to that championship or even that defense. Maybe now he is (now that they're not really title contenders) or maybe he was an "x-factor" back then. They key though? No.
(03-25-2018, 12:34 AM)PikesPeakUC Wrote: [ -> ]I'm in the camp of if one of Edmunds, Smith, or Evans happens to be there at 21, I'd like to take a long look at them.
I honestly don't even know at this point. The O-Line needs to get better, DT could use some help. LB needs someone because I doubt Brown will be around for more than a year. The secondary could use some bolstering, and we also possibly need another TE. That's a lot of needs.
We have a lot of holes. There's no doubt we need a center. Losing Bodine (whatever we thought of him) puts this at a critical level. Johnson did not play as well as Bodine - none of his replacements are even adequate, so this is a critical need.
Then we have significant needs at right tackle, defensive tackle, defensive end and linebacker. We really need a 3 down backer to go with Burfict. The truth is that we have struggled at that position in the middle for a while now. I think Brown is going to be an upgrade, which makes it less critical. But he's on a one year contract.
I like Evans a lot, because I think he can play SAM or Mike and can stay in the game on 3rd down - long or short. We haven't had that since Howard's brief tenure.
But it knocks out one of our bigger needs - and I think we can get Ragnow in the 2nd which knocks out 2. I don't know that we're going to get more than two in the first 2 rounds this year just because the quality linebackers, tackles and centers will be gone after 46
So then I'm looking for the best two players who can take care of 2 of our more critical needs.
For me that's Evans and Ragnow.
But it may be a moot point. I don't think that McGlinchey or Evans will be there at 21 - especially Evans.
I see us taking the best defensive player available at 21 - like Hobson says. That will not be a reason for rejoicing in my opinion. If we don't get one of those two players, I'd feel much safer taking Price or Daniels and seeing what shakes out at 46.
(03-21-2018, 01:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: [ -> ]Marvin fancies himself the LB whisperer and likes to take mid to late round players with raw talent. Look for somebody like Matthew Thomas out of FSU or the kid from Central Florida
Griffin out of UCF is a beast, one hand or both hands, the man can tackle.
Oren Burks in the 6th round
Converted safety played junior and senior seasons at LB. In his first year he started 10 of 13 games played, racking up 59 stops, 6.5 for loss, 3.5 sacks, an interception and six pass breakups. He followied up that season with a strong senior campaign, making 82 tackles, seven for loss, one interception, and three pass breakups.
(03-21-2018, 01:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: [ -> ]Marvin fancies himself the LB whisperer and likes to take mid to late round players with raw talent. Look for somebody like Matthew Thomas out of FSU or the kid from Central Florida
In really want Griffin. If people think he is just a great story, you need to watch his game films. Not just highlights, but every game. Dude has a non-stop motor, speed to burn, great instincts, and the foreshadowing of a twin that played safety for Seattle last year as a rookie (3rd rounder) with 75 tackles and 15 PBUs.