(06-20-2018, 05:47 PM)McC Wrote: [ -> ]My guess is not yet. He'll get another year, moving inside on passing downs.
From what I've seen MJ sets a pretty good edge in the run game, but has been ineffective rushing the passer from the edge. He's been pretty successful inside on the passing downs.
I think it will depend how the rookie Brown pans out. If he can at least equal what MJ brings MJ will be gone. But MJ wasn't bad in his new role last year.
Hubbard has a football IQ that is just off the charts. His experience in the back end of the defense, as an All-State Safety in HS, and then as a DE in college, have really given him the opportunity to diagnose plays and player tendencies from multiple perspectives. This is the type of player that is going to deliver far beyond what his physical limitations might indicate as possible.
(06-20-2018, 05:22 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: [ -> ]Great to hear, been hearing a lot of great stuff about Hubbard already.
With Lawson, Willis and Hubbard we could have a very nice future with our Ends.
I love how versatile Hubbard is, i think this is his most formidable trait. He can cover, being a Safety before and all.
Right on !
(06-20-2018, 05:56 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: [ -> ]Hubbard has a football IQ that is just off the charts. His experience in the back end of the defense, as an All-State Safety in HS, and then as a DE in college, have really given him the opportunity to diagnose plays and player tendencies from multiple perspectives. This is the type of player that is going to deliver far beyond what his physical limitations might indicate as possible.
I bet ya he will
Just one of those guys that always ends up on the ball !
(06-20-2018, 01:45 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: [ -> ]Agree, and to me this is kinda the final piece to the puzzle. I mean the making better decisions thing. They let pac man go finally, so perhaps somethings changed ?
I'm no ML fan by any stretch ! But maybe, just maybe, team M&M are finally going to step up into the modern NFL ?
Me to ! I'm with you on Billings, hope he can bring the thunder this year.
Yeah, he better make a move in training camp. A number of folks have him falling off the bubble. But if he is what we hoped he would be our defensive line will be really scary.
(06-20-2018, 11:04 AM)fozzie11 Wrote: [ -> ]it makes sense with how well early round buckeyes have been doing early on in the league as of late, maybe Urban is just doing a good job getting his guys ready for the nfl.
You think? Of course he is. I completely agree.
(06-20-2018, 11:06 AM)Circleville Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds good, will this mean goodbye to MJ?
Doubt it! First and foremost, I like the shit out of that guy, so I ama little biased. I was around Dallas County when he played in HS. MB, probably let's him play out his contract.. Plus he can go inside on passing downs. I think he sticks this one last time. Too talented, versatile, and to good of a leader,not to reward him for his Bengal tenure. He has been nothing except solid and stabilizing for this team. Besides, a new DC and scheme may give him some extra juice.
(06-20-2018, 05:47 PM)McC Wrote: [ -> ]My guess is not yet. He'll get another year, moving inside on passing downs.
Isn’t he better against the run?
(06-20-2018, 06:25 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: [ -> ]You think? Of course he is. I completely agree.
Doubt it! First and foremost, I like the shit out of that guy, so I ama little biased. I was around Dallas County when he played in HS. MB, probably let's him play out his contract.. Plus he can go inside on passing downs. I think he sticks this one last time. Too talented, versatile, and to good of a leader,not to reward him for his Bengal tenure. He has been nothing except solid and stabilizing for this team. Besides, a new DC and scheme may give him some extra juice.
I was thinking that his money could be used to help with the 2 extensions on the DLine.
(06-20-2018, 06:41 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: [ -> ]Agree, i like MJ tons myself but he is taking up a lot of salary compared to what he brings to the table.
Need to pay Geno and Dunlap some of that stuff.
Without a doubt. Geno and Carlos are too valuable to lose. And we have a couple of guys that can rotate at RE. Maybe more.
(06-20-2018, 06:29 PM)Circleville Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Isn’t he better against the run?
Yes. Absolutely. Good against the run.
(06-20-2018, 06:34 PM)Circleville Guy Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking that his money could be used to help with the 2 extensions on the DLine.
It absolutely could. If you can get similar production for a lot cheaper, the handwriting would be on the wall. But the kids will definitely have to beat him out. IMO, the decision on him won't be financial.
(06-20-2018, 07:06 PM)McC Wrote: [ -> ]Yes. Absolutely. Good against the run.
Well, that is true. I guess we'll just have to see what preseason brings. It's all a good problem to have. Competition is a good thing.
(06-20-2018, 06:41 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: [ -> ]Agree, i like MJ tons myself but he is taking up a lot of salary compared to what he brings to the table.
Need to pay Geno and Dunlap some of that stuff.
Those 2 need to be kept, hopefully the loss of Whit taught management a lesson. Keeping those 2 is a secondary reason as to why I didn’t like the Eifert signing.
(06-20-2018, 07:10 PM)McC Wrote: [ -> ]It absolutely could. If you can get similar production for a lot cheaper, the handwriting would be on the wall. But the kids will definitely have to beat him out. IMO, the decision on him won't be financial.
The thing is that the money does have to come from somewhere though.
(06-20-2018, 06:34 PM)Circleville Guy Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking that his money could be used to help with the 2 extensions on the DLine.
(06-20-2018, 06:41 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: [ -> ]Agree, i like MJ tons myself but he is taking up a lot of salary compared to what he brings to the table.
Need to pay Geno and Dunlap some of that stuff.
(06-20-2018, 07:05 PM)Tiger Teeth Wrote: [ -> ]Without a doubt. Geno and Carlos are too valuable to lose. And we have a couple of guys that can rotate at RE. Maybe more.
Agreed,
I don't have anything against MJ, he's been a good player for us. But when it's time to move on it's time to move on. I want to see the Bengals making sound decisions that help them win and stop with this weird loyalty paying out contracts crud !
Now if MJ is the best we've got then by all means keep him.
(06-20-2018, 07:17 PM)Circleville Guy Wrote: [ -> ]The thing is that the money does have to come from somewhere though.
For sure. I will feel a lot better when both those guys are signed up. And both have to be. If it take cutting MJ to do it, then I'm on all for it.
I think our line specifically at de is better off then what it was with Hunt/Clarke the future.
MJ isn't going anywhere. He might have earned himself an extension with his play at dt last season in the eyes of MB.
It's dt that I'm unsure about outside of Geno. Sure we signed Baker, but he has a lot to prove, and he's on a one year deal. Maybe he'll be the missing piece. Big year for Billings and Glasgow.