(07-01-2018, 11:06 AM)Nately120 Wrote: [ -> ]It depends on how you look at it. I think Marvin Lewis has been pretty fortunate to have good-though-not-elite and fairly reliable QBs in Palmer and Dalton for his entire HC career. Are there other franchises that have had as much QB stability as we have and still failed to win a playoff game? I think the Lions with Stafford who is going into his 10th season, I think, could also qualify for that. Anyways, I see a good side and a meh side in this, that's for sure.
You'd think with the relative stability we've had at QB for 15 years we'd have done some (more) winning, too. If you don't have a QB you have to throw every single resource down the well until you find one.
I don't think QB has been the reason for more success here...
Imo, the #1 main thing that's held us back is a weak O-line, year after year.....
seems this franchise has always valued OT's only...…
was satisfied w/ avg. at best OG's & OC's.....
so we have a weak run game, too many 3 & outs & our "D" is forced to be on the field too long....
drafting Ced & Fisher killed us the past 2 years, & Bodine was always a weak spot....
perhaps we've turned that corner.....but we'll have to see what happens at RT....I just don't see Ced being strong enough to play anywhere....so it's Fisher or.....?
perhaps in next years draft we'll go OT, slide Glenn to RT after the rookie gets his feet wet....?
we need 2 starting caliber OT's…..if we want a S.B. run...
(07-01-2018, 07:56 PM)Steve Wrote: [ -> ]I think he meant our closest neighbor in our AFC NORTYH DIV....
& I don't think Mayfield is a douchbag….
no reason to insult him.....
he's not a steeler….
Yeah, I was meaning our intrastate rival. But, technically he was correct.
Weather Baker Mayfield is or isn't a douche won't really be known, until times get rough and the media shoves microphones in his face..
(07-01-2018, 07:56 PM)Steve Wrote: [ -> ]I think he meant our closest neighbor in our AFC NORTYH DIV....
& I don't think Mayfield is a douchbag….
no reason to insult him.....
he's not a steeler….
If you went to Ohio State, you'd think he's a douchebag.
(07-01-2018, 08:07 PM)Steve Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think QB has been the reason for more success here...
Imo, the #1 main thing that's held us back is a weak O-line, year after year.....
seems this franchise has always valued OT's only...…
was satisfied w/ avg. at best OG's & OC's.....
so we have a weak run game, too many 3 & outs & our "D" is forced to be on the field too long....
drafting Ced & Fisher killed us the past 2 years, & Bodine was always a weak spot....
perhaps we've turned that corner.....but we'll have to see what happens at RT....I just don't see Ced being strong enough to play anywhere....so it's Fisher or.....?
perhaps in next years draft we'll go OT, slide Glenn to RT after the rookie gets his feet wet....?
we need 2 starting caliber OT's…..if we want a S.B. run...
Nor do I feel QB is the main reason for our "limited" success. My main point was look at the boat load of QB's Cleveland has been thru with very little to no success. One would think out of all of them and a few being fairly highly regarded coming out of college they would have hit pay dirt a couple times anyways.
Look at how we played musical QB's thru the late 90's early 00's with no success. Dalton is a steady QB with the ability to win games. He's not Brady or Rodgers and gonna put the team on his back and will us to victory, no. But it's very hard to find those guys, there one in a hundred thousand !
But I feel we can have success with him with the proper coaching, play calling, and position players.
(06-29-2018, 09:55 AM)fredtoast Wrote: [ -> ]When a team goes through that many QBs yiou have to look at the coaches instead of the QBs.
It's like a guy who has been married several times. at some point you have to blame the guy instead of all the different wives.
I believe that Couch would have been a very good NFL QB if he had remained healthy.
I agree with this point.
The Browns QBs have stunk because the team has stunk.
Put Brady on the Browns and he would not be going to Hall of Fame.
Cleveland, home to the biggest QB graveyard..
(07-02-2018, 09:56 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: [ -> ]Nor do I feel QB is the main reason for our "limited" success. My main point was look at the boat load of QB's Cleveland has been thru with very little to no success. One would think out of all of them and a few being fairly highly regarded coming out of college they would have hit pay dirt a couple times anyways.
Look at how we played musical QB's thru the late 90's early 00's with no success. Dalton is a steady QB with the ability to win games. He's not Brady or Rodgers and gonna put the team on his back and will us to victory, no. But it's very hard to find those guys, there one in a hundred thousand !
But I feel we can have success with him with the proper coaching, play calling, and position players.
I'm a huge Dalton fan....I hated to see him chased around so much last year.....having to throw it away to avoid yet another sack....very frustrating....
w/ a solid line Dalton can win us a SB.....But for that to happen we have to have a solid line & a RUN game.....& it seems we haven't had that in a long time...but maybe this year....??
I understand about how many QB's the Browns have gone through....it seems if they had a solid ground game one of them would of found success....but no.......it is hard to figure out...seems the key is a SOLID ground game.....a QB's best friend...
I still think this year they already blew it again....although Mayfield might work out.....I still think they should of traded down some & picked Jackson....his speed is scary.....
ps. the Browns are my 2nd fav team....
(07-02-2018, 08:39 PM)Steve Wrote: [ -> ]I'm a huge Dalton fan....I hated to see him chased around so much last year.....having to throw it away to avoid yet another sack....very frustrating....
w/ a solid line Dalton can win us a SB.....But for that to happen we have to have a solid line & a RUN game.....& it seems we haven't had that in a long time...but maybe this year....??
I understand about how many QB's the Browns have gone through....it seems if they had a solid ground game one of them would of found success....but no.......it is hard to figure out...seems the key is a SOLID ground game.....a QB's best friend...
I still think this year they already blew it again....although Mayfield might work out.....I still think they should of traded down some & picked Jackson....his speed is scary.....
ps. the Browns are my 2nd fav team....
Oh I agree Steve !
We have to have a solid run game, a productive run game that can convert 3rd and 3 on the ground.
For the most part over the last few years when we have to run it....we can't ! And everybody has known it and that puts Dalton in a hell of a fix.
(07-03-2018, 01:39 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh I agree Steve !
We have to have a solid run game, a productive run game that can convert 3rd and 3 on the ground.
For the most part over the last few years when we have to run it....we can't ! And everybody has known it and that puts Dalton in a hell of a fix.
it's frustrating to see the steelers convert 3rd & 3's all day long on the ground.....
but we get a 3rd & 3 & we have to pass b/c we have no ground game....
it all starts w/ the run....if a team can't run they are 1 dimensional....the "D" just pins it's ears back & goes for sacks.....
SMH....
& it seems we have this problem EVERY YEAR...…
as if our organization wants it this way.....
but I am stuck......I can't leave....I am a die hard Bengals fan.....
if we go 0-16 I will still be here....
now I need an emoji of a guy hanging from a noose....
b/c that's how I feel many times....
but ….as they say right now we're tied for 1st place....
so lets get ready for battle....
this year I want the AFC North div crown....
(07-01-2018, 08:08 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I was meaning our intrastate rival. But, technically he was correct.
Weather Baker Mayfield is or isn't a douche won't really be known, until times get rough and the media shoves microphones in his face..
hopefully Mayfield won't lose it if/when the Browns go through yet another losing streak....
that's just another thing ya have to LOVE about Dalton....
he never loses his composure.....a great competitor & a classy guy....nothing but nice....
