10-01-2020, 05:07 PM
(10-01-2020, 05:05 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: [ -> ]I prefer the far less used, yet still pretty apt, Ketchuphead.
Not a bad one either..... Ol Paul Heinz.....
(10-01-2020, 05:05 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: [ -> ]I prefer the far less used, yet still pretty apt, Ketchuphead.
(10-01-2020, 12:49 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: [ -> ]I just checked Bobby Harts PFF score at it's 65 for the year. Jonah, I believe was, 66.
Did PFF change their rating system? Because the way it used to work was these would have put them smack damn in the middle of a "backup" grade.
I'm pretty sure 60-69 is backup, starter is 70-84, I think 84-89 is like Pro Bowl, and 90-100 is elite. And I think anything under 60 is replaceable.
So unless something has changed, Bobby Hart is currently clocking somewhere around the level you would expect for 48th best RT in the league.
To the person who claimed it, how is that average, or slightly below? He needs to be at like a 75-77 for that to be true, would he not?
(10-01-2020, 05:18 PM)ochocincos Wrote: [ -> ]They didn't really "change" their system.
A solid starter is considered 70-80. 80-90 is considered upper-tier. 90+ is considered elite.
Below 70 is considered room for improvement, but still a starter.
Below 60 is considered bad.
The player ratings are deceiving. You need to look at the run and pass protection breakdown, as they combine those into a single rating.
Bobby Hart is the NFL's 42nd rated OT.
Jonah is 38th.
With that said, only 32 have a rating of 70+, which means only half of the NFL's starting OTs are doing what's considered to be solid or better.
When looking closer at the breakdown....
Hart - 57.0 pass blocking (which is bad), 75.3 run blocking (which is good)
A big problem the Bengals have is only two OL (Williams, Hopkins) have a pass blocking grade above 60. They both have 70+ actually.
And only one OL (Hart) has a run blocking grade above 60.
So it's not that the ratings are changed necessarily, it's that performance is down across the league.
(10-01-2020, 04:48 PM)TJHoushmandzadehs Shiny Shoes Wrote: [ -> ]I believe Hart has also faced the most passing plays of any RT in the league.
They've run nearly twice as many passing plays as the likes of the Eagles and Ravens.
I'm not saying that he's good btw, only that that's not necessarily the stat to make the point you are trying to make.
(10-01-2020, 05:54 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: [ -> ]Two things:
1) If he’s getting so much experience at pass protecting, he should be getting better.
2) PFF grades on efficiency, so they do take into account number of snaps and Hart is only rated better than two OT’s in the entire league at pass blocking efficiency, Jaron Christian - WAS and Andrew Thomas - NYG
(10-01-2020, 06:09 PM)WVUHomer Wrote: [ -> ]Considering there were plenty of people who wanted Thomas, I find that surprising. I would have sworn Thomas would be better
(10-01-2020, 05:18 PM)ochocincos Wrote: [ -> ]They didn't really "change" their system.
A solid starter is considered 70-80. 80-90 is considered upper-tier. 90+ is considered elite.
Below 70 is considered room for improvement, but still a starter.
Below 60 is considered bad.
The player ratings are deceiving. You need to look at the run and pass protection breakdown, as they combine those into a single rating.
Bobby Hart is the NFL's 42nd rated OT.
Jonah is 38th.
With that said, only 32 have a rating of 70+, which means only half of the NFL's starting OTs are doing what's considered to be solid or better.
When looking closer at the breakdown....
Hart - 57.0 pass blocking (which is bad), 75.3 run blocking (which is good)
A big problem the Bengals have is only two OL (Williams, Hopkins) have a pass blocking grade above 60. They both have 70+ actually.
And only one OL (Hart) has a run blocking grade above 60.
So it's not that the ratings are changed necessarily, it's that performance is down across the league.
(10-01-2020, 03:04 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: [ -> ]Jordan and whoever has replaced XSF whether that be Price or Johnson has made everyone look worse. 5 of the 8 sacks Sunday were on Burrow. Fletcher Cox was a monster he was supposed to be banged up.
(10-01-2020, 08:16 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: [ -> ]Still don’t buy it was that many, but ok, what about how he’s getting hit after nearly every throw? It’s not just the sacks. They NEVER keep him clean.
(10-01-2020, 08:22 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: [ -> ]If you watch closely, most NFL QBs are not "kept clean" on the majority of the their passing attempts. OL talent is down in the NFL, and has been on that trend for several years. Thank the HS and college game for the spread, quick hit offenses that allow their linemen to proceed to the higher levels without being capable of blocking in the traditional capacities.
(10-01-2020, 06:58 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: [ -> ]I am currently working through the Eagles game, watching the All-22 film and this is what I have seen as well (in regard to Hart). He is a solid run blocker, and I have found myself surprised at how well he has done in his run blocking assignments. He is aggressive and moves his defender.Then he should just run block on passing downs. Won't be a worse result and at least he'll be the aggressor
When it comes to pass blocking, however, he looks so weak. He struggles to plant his hands on the defender and he struggles with the bull rush. Early on, Graham was able to swat Hart’s hands away and get around him but Burrow was able to get the ball out quickly, so it didn’t go down as a pressure. I still counted it as a loss for Hart, however.
Also a note, I have seen two pressures so far that were allowed by wide receivers. In the first quarter, Burrow missed a wide open Tyler Boyd. He threw a duck and Tyler Boyd slipped trying to stop and turn around for it. This was because Auden state was kept in to block and was tasked with picking up a corner blitz. He missed the block and the corner got to Burrow before he could hit Boyd.
Later on, on the play where Burrow was nearly beheaded, he was originally under pressure due to Boyd being tasked with a block-and-release on the defensive end on the near side. The end obviously got around Boyd, forced Burrow out of his roll out and right into the interior pressure from Jackson.
(10-01-2020, 06:58 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: [ -> ]When it comes to pass blocking, however, he looks so weak. He struggles to plant his hands on the defender and he struggles with the bull rush. Early on, Graham was able to swat Hart’s hands away and get around him but Burrow was able to get the ball out quickly, so it didn’t go down as a pressure. I still counted it as a loss for Hart, however.
(10-01-2020, 08:16 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: [ -> ]Still don’t buy it was that many, but ok, what about how he’s getting hit after nearly every throw? It’s not just the sacks. They NEVER keep him clean.
(10-01-2020, 12:53 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: [ -> ]We have faced 3 Great Dlines relax. If Jags dominate us up front then I will be concerned. I actually think all 3 are better than Ravens as well. Fletcher Cox was an absolute animal last game. He was probably their MVP had they won.