(06-01-2023, 02:53 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: [ -> ]You are much more optomistic than me lol
Anyone who lists our secondary as an asset I would say is on meth haha. I actually think its a huge liability going into the season. Weakness, maybe not...but def a liability. I think our safties covered up a lot of mistakes by our DBs last year.
I mean we def have more than a shot to win the Super Bowl, but I would start with our division first. I think pretty much every team is improved.
KC has issues at LT. The secondary is a legitimate concern for us. But other than that we’ve improved our 2 biggest areas of concern…. Depth and OL. We came within a whisker of returning to the SB. I really think this offense takes flight with the ability to do more with better protection.
(06-01-2023, 04:58 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: [ -> ]KC has issues at LT. The secondary is a legitimate concern for us. But other than that we’ve improved our 2 biggest areas of concern…. Depth and OL. We came within a whisker of returning to the SB. I really think this offense takes flight with the ability to do more with better protection.
With Lou Anarumo still here I don't find the secondary to be nearly as big of a concern. There will be growing pains with Dax and Scott I
am sure, but it should get ironed out eventually by the 3rd or 4th game. The Offense should be able to carry us through that stretch with
the upgraded OL. Now if we lost Anarumo I would be right with you guys in saying the secondary is a legitimate concern.
We could very well end up being much better in the Secondary this year with Awuzie being healthy and CTB growing as a player in his
sophomore season. Dax Hill's upside is crazy high, same with DJ Turner who I think is more pro ready than CTB coming into the league.
Spot on about KC and their LT issue. Taylor isn't a LT, just watch, he will get beat a lot from pass rushers and Mahomes will be feeling it.
(06-01-2023, 02:09 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: [ -> ]Every other team that lost to the 49ers in the SB those years got trounced too. We actually played them really tough unlike everyone else.
Would love to get the big damn monkey off our back and beat the 49ers in the SB...
But I actually like TKUHL's thought on the Lions. It sounds out there, but that team is on the up and up. Good coach who has his guys
playing every team tough, they are young and been through a ton as a franchise.
Totally plausible Nate. They were tough last year and had a really nice draft.
It's going to be a fun year!
(06-02-2023, 01:36 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: [ -> ]With Lou Anarumo still here I don't find the secondary to be nearly as big of a concern. There will be growing pains with Dax and Scott I
am sure, but it should get ironed out eventually by the 3rd or 4th game. The Offense should be able to carry us through that stretch with
the upgraded OL. Now if we lost Anarumo I would be right with you guys in saying the secondary is a legitimate concern.
We could very well end up being much better in the Secondary this year with Awuzie being healthy and CTB growing as a player in his
sophomore season. Dax Hill's upside is crazy high, same with DJ Turner who I think is more pro ready than CTB coming into the league.
Spot on about KC and their LT issue. Taylor isn't a LT, just watch, he will get beat a lot from pass rushers and Mahomes will be feeling it.
Our secondary likelihood of being better is unlikely. Lou is overrated as a secondary coach…. Oh he’s incredible but he had 2 veterans at safety that also were very knowledgeable in his system. It’s not really fair to 3 new starters. Doesn’t mean they won’t be capable even with their upsides. And I agree with your optimism. Just don’t think it’s realistic. Next year maybe.
(06-02-2023, 04:30 PM)3wt Wrote: [ -> ]Totally plausible Nate. They were tough last year and had a really nice draft.
It's going to be a fun year!
It is. The Lions should only get better this year, same as us. Great times to be a Bengals fan though for damn sure, we got Burrow and
our roster is way deeper than last year where we were a breath away from another shot at a Superbowl. This year we know we can beat
every team in the stacked AFC as we got the Bills number in the Playoffs, we match up really well against them and the Chiefs.
(06-02-2023, 05:11 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: [ -> ]Our secondary likelihood of being better is unlikely. Lou is overrated as a secondary coach…. Oh he’s incredible but he had 2 veterans at safety that also were very knowledgeable in his system. It’s not really fair to 3 new starters. Doesn’t mean they won’t be capable even with their upsides. And I agree with your optimism. Just don’t think it’s realistic. Next year maybe.
Disagree completely on Lou being overrated as a Secondary coach, just the opposite. Underrated.
2 new starters at Safety BTW and Dax Hill is as talented as a Safety could be and Nick Scott has valuable experience as I said and
Lou picked him for a reason over others. He is smart, same as the guys who left. There will be growing pains with these 2 but these
guys will learn and we are so much faster in the Secondary this year with the guys we brought in.
We weren't that great last year, don't know how it is unrealistic for us to not be better this year.
(06-02-2023, 05:20 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: [ -> ]It is. The Lions should only get better this year, same as us. Great times to be a Bengals fan though for damn sure, we got Burrow and
our roster is way deeper than last year where we were a breath away from another shot at a Superbowl. This year we know we can beat
every team in the stacked AFC as we got the Bills number in the Playoffs, we match up really well against them and the Chiefs.
Disagree completely on Lou being overrated as a Secondary coach, just the opposite. Underrated.
2 new starters at Safety BTW and Dax Hill is as talented as a Safety could be and Nick Scott has valuable experience as I said and
Lou picked him for a reason over others. He is smart, same as the guys who left. There will be growing pains with these 2 but these
guys will learn and we are so much faster in the Secondary this year with the guys we brought in.
We weren't that great last year, don't know how it is unrealistic for us to not be better this year.
You missed the part where I said he was incredible. Just mean with 3 new starters and 2 very inexperienced he can’t be expected to be a super hero. I think he’s overrated here that he can be a miracle worker. I expect us to be good eventually. I agreed with your optimism on the upside. I just don’t think it’s realistic to think there won’t be some droppoff.
(06-02-2023, 05:53 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: [ -> ]You missed the part where I said he was incredible. Just mean with 3 new starters and 2 very inexperienced he can’t be expected to be a super hero. I think he’s overrated here that he can be a miracle worker. I expect us to be good eventually. I agreed with your optimism on the upside. I just don’t think it’s realistic to think there won’t be some droppoff.
Cool, I mean we were pretty pedestrian last year. Were we even a top 10 Secondary?
This is with Bates and Bell. CTB should get much better this year, Chido being back healthy etc.
Who is the 3rd new starter? CTB started last year, so did Hilton, so did Chido...
Early on, I expect struggles with the new Safeties like I said, but by mid season we could be better and I don't find it unrealistic.
Dax Hill was a much better prospect in my eyes than Bates and I wanted us to draft Bates before we did.
Battle could be a stud if Nick Scott isn't the answer. Love watching Battle's film, he can be a ballhawk, great instincts and lays the wood like
Bell but is much bigger. This isn't even mentioning DJ Turner who I think is much more pro ready than CTB was coming in. We have to have
one of if not the fastest Secondary's in the league with these additions and the loss of Bell even if I loved the guy.
(06-02-2023, 06:12 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: [ -> ]Cool, I mean we were pretty pedestrian last year. Were we even a top 10 Secondary?
This is with Bates and Bell. CTB should get much better this year, Chido being back healthy etc.
Who is the 3rd new starter? CTB started last year, so did Hilton, so did Chido...
Early on, I expect struggles with the new Safeties like I said, but by mid season we could be better and I don't find it unrealistic.
Dax Hill was a much better prospect in my eyes than Bates and I wanted us to draft Bates before we did.
Battle could be a stud if Nick Scott isn't the answer. Love watching Battle's film, he can be a ballhawk, great instincts and lays the wood like
Bell but is much bigger. This isn't even mentioning DJ Turner who I think is much more pro ready than CTB was coming in. We have to have
one of if not the fastest Secondary's in the league with these additions and the loss of Bell even if I loved the guy.
3 new starters from the start of last year. CTB got lots of work but he’s still very inexperienced.
(06-02-2023, 06:44 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: [ -> ]3 new starters from the start of last year. CTB got lots of work but he’s still very inexperienced.
I count CTB as an experienced starter, that was some valuable work he did in the postseason.
He might of been our best Secondary player in the Playoffs. The entire Secondary played great against the Bills but against the Chiefs
Bates and Hilton were pretty bad. CTB was the best in the AFCC IMO.
(05-31-2023, 07:29 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: [ -> ]I saw Brock Purdy in person several times in Norman. I saw him a lot on TV he definitely has some moxie and QB savvy. But he’s plenty hot and cold. When he stinks it up it’s a doozy. I don’t think they are good enough at QB. And if he gets hurt worse.
If the very first season in the post-Tom Brady era features a QB taken at 262nd overall going to the SB, I might actually start to believe the NFL truly is scripted.
(06-01-2023, 02:53 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: [ -> ]You are much more optomistic than me lol
Anyone who lists our secondary as an asset I would say is on meth haha. I actually think its a huge liability going into the season. Weakness, maybe not...but def a liability. I think our safties covered up a lot of mistakes by our DBs last year.
I'd like to see examples of all that cover-up. Bates gave up the 1st TD vs KC in the AFCCG and then left Hilton out to dry leaving his spot for the second TD. Our boundary CBs actually played quite well. Hilton became a liability in the passing game, Bell was never a speedster or a great deep guy, and Bates is not the ball hawk that many outside of our fanbase think he is. Chido was excellent, CBT came on strong, he and Apple had outstanding games in the AFCCG.
(06-10-2023, 10:39 PM)casear2727 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd like to see examples of all that cover-up. Bates gave up the 1st TD vs KC in the AFCCG and then left Hilton out to dry leaving his spot for the second TD. Our boundary CBs actually played quite well. Hilton became a liability in the passing game, Bell was never a speedster or a great deep guy, and Bates is not the ball hawk that many outside of our fanbase think he is. Chido was excellent, CBT came on strong, he and Apple had outstanding games in the AFCCG.
Same, would like to see these examples of our fantastic Safety play that made our Corners look so damn good lmao.
