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(12-30-2024, 06:58 PM)BengalsLUFC Wrote: [ -> ]Reader is getting paid less which is the crazy thing..

Reader’s 3 sacks would be tied for 3rd on the Bengals right now. Facepalm

(12-30-2024, 08:14 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: [ -> ]Reader’s 3 sacks would be tied for 2nd on the Bengals right now.

Ossai has 4.5. But it would be tied for 3rd with BJ HIll.

https://www.bengals.com/team/stats/

For interior guys especially, the sack number is not the most important. I want a guy who is constantly pushing the pocket back at the QB. Even if not technically getting a pressure or a sack. Make the QB uncomfortable. Push guys into his line of sight. Make it hard for him to scramble because there are no clear lanes.

The Reader/Rankins thing was so dumb on so many levels. And one did not need hindsight to see it. Rankins cost DOUBLE what Reader made this year. Now, Reader makes +$1 million more next year. But the value the Lions got was way better than what we got. Even prior to Rankins' illness. He had one good game against us and 7 years of 'meh'. Reader had been a stud for over half a decade. Plus we had to burn two day 2 picks at DT.

(12-30-2024, 08:14 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: [ -> ]Reader’s 3 sacks would be tied for 2nd on the Bengals right now.

His 18 tackles (only 10 of them solo) are both the lowest of any season he started at least 10 games. Also 2 missed tackles that hit harder when you only have 10 solo tackles, so you're at 10% missed tackle.

If you put stock in PFF he's been very mediocre against the run this year. The Lions were already the 2nd rushing defense last year and now they're 4th.

There's a big difference between being expected to be the 2nd best player on a defense and just being a part. Reader hasn't made a tackle either solo or assisted in 3 weeks.

(12-30-2024, 09:31 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: [ -> ]His 18 tackles (only 10 of them solo) are both the lowest of any season he started at least 10 games. Also 2 missed tackles that hit harder when you only have 10 solo tackles, so you're at 10% missed tackle.

If you put stock in PFF he's been very mediocre against the run this year. The Lions were already the 2nd rushing defense last year and now they're 4th.

There's a big difference between being expected to be the 2nd best player on a defense and just being a part. Reader hasn't made a tackle either solo or assisted in 3 weeks.

My point was more about how bad our DL has been, not that Reader has been crushing it for Detroit or anything. I thought the *3* sacks part made that clear, but maybe not.

(12-30-2024, 09:29 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: [ -> ]He had one good game against us and 7 years of 'meh'.

That’s one of their favorite ways to scout the rest of the league. Geno Stone had a big interception against us last year, too.

Coulda had Javon Kinlaw for about 1/2 the price. Let's save him from NYJ next year

(12-30-2024, 09:31 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: [ -> ]His 18 tackles (only 10 of them solo) are both the lowest of any season he started at least 10 games. Also 2 missed tackles that hit harder when you only have 10 solo tackles, so you're at 10% missed tackle.

If you put stock in PFF he's been very mediocre against the run this year. The Lions were already the 2nd rushing defense last year and now they're 4th.

There's a big difference between being expected to be the 2nd best player on a defense and just being a part. Reader hasn't made a tackle either solo or assisted in 3 weeks.

He's more than stats. Occupied 2 blockers.

That said, he isn't a pass rusher. And he only played a fraction of the snaps. But, upgrade to what we have now.

(12-30-2024, 09:59 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: [ -> ]He's more than stats. Occupied 2 blockers.

That said, he isn't a pass rusher. And he only played a fraction of the snaps. But, upgrade to what we have now.

I was pretty fine with moving on from him. He is a good player but he just couldn't stay on the field for us. He missed a full 1/3rd of the games here in Cincinnati and went on the IR 3 times in 4 years.

That said I expected them to actually, you know, sign a replacement.

This is up there with not wanting to pay Bates top-tier safety money for his inconsistent play, but also not wanting Nick Scott as a starting S. If we could just operate like an actual franchise we wouldn't have to choose between overpaying guys with red flags or being stuck with dumpster fire players instead. There IS some middle ground there! Lol

(12-30-2024, 10:16 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: [ -> ]I was pretty fine with moving on from him. He is a good player but he just couldn't stay on the field for us. He missed a full 1/3rd of the games here in Cincinnati and went on the IR 3 times in 4 years.

That said I expected them to actually, you know, sign a replacement.

This is up there with not wanting to pay Bates top-tier safety money for his inconsistent play, but also not wanting Nick Scott as a starting S. If we could just operate like an actual franchise we wouldn't have to choose between overpaying guys with red flags or being stuck with dumpster fire players instead. There IS some middle ground there! Lol

Yes. Moving on isn't the wrong move. They're failing to find adequate replacements.

(12-30-2024, 09:59 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: [ -> ]He's more than stats. Occupied 2 blockers.

That said, he isn't a pass rusher. And he only played a fraction of the snaps. But, upgrade to what we have now.

Yes, Detriot's run defense got worse with him on the team.

Not re-signing him was the right move

Not re-placing him was the wrong move.

(12-30-2024, 10:16 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: [ -> ]I was pretty fine with moving on from him. He is a good player but he just couldn't stay on the field for us. He missed a full 1/3rd of the games here in Cincinnati and went on the IR 3 times in 4 years.

That said I expected them to actually, you know, sign a replacement.

This is up there with not wanting to pay Bates top-tier safety money for his inconsistent play, but also not wanting Nick Scott as a starting S. If we could just operate like an actual franchise we wouldn't have to choose between overpaying guys with red flags or being stuck with dumpster fire players instead. There IS some middle ground there! Lol

Hiring some more scouts would be a big step towards thar

Bengals signed RB Kendall Milton off the practice squad to the active roster.

Extra insurance in case RB Chase Brown can’t go against the Steelers.
— Ben Baby (@Ben_Baby) January 2, 2025

Kendall Milton to the 53 from the PS. Not a good sign for Chase Brown playing. Good job, Zach!

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2025/1/2/24334366/kendall-milton-bengals-53-man-roster-georgia-bulldogs-in-nfl

A. Offense: (26)
QB (2): Burrow; Browning
RB (4): C. Brown, Herbert, Milton, T. Williams
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; Burton, C. Jones, I. Williams
TE (5): D. Sample; Gesicki, Hudson, Grandy, McLachlan
OT (3): O. Brown; Mims, Cochran
OG (2): Cappa, Volson
C (2): Karras; Lee
OT/OG (2): Ford, Stueber
----------------

B. Defense: (24)
DE (6): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Ossai, Murphy, C. Johnson, I. Thomas
DT (4): BJ Hill, Jackson; Jenkins, Tufele
LB (4): Pratt; ADG, Njongmeta, Heyward.
CB (5): CTB, Newton, Hilton; Ivey, M. Wilson
S (5): Battle, Stone; Bell, Anthony, Anderson
-------------

C. Special Teams: (3)
PK: York
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis
--------------

D. Injured Lists (14)

1. Reserve/Injured (13) (3 of 8 returns used)
1. Cam Sample, DE/DT (Achilles, out for season)
2. Chris Evans, RB (patellar tendon, out for season)
3. D'Ante Smith, OL (patellar tendin, out for season)
4. Lance Robinson, CB (PS, undisclosed)
5. Trent Brown, OT (patellar tendon, out for season)
6. Dax Hill, CB/S (ACL, out for season)
7. OG/OT Jaxson Kirkland (torn bicep, out for season).
8. TE Erick All (knee ACL, out for season)
9. RB Zach Moss (neck)
10. CB DJ Turner II (clavicle, out for season)
11. PK McPherson (groin)
12. LB L. Wilson (knee).
13. LB Bachie (groin).

2. Reserve/Non-Football Illness (1)
1. DT Sheldon Rankins (illness)
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E. Practice Squad (16) (16 max, 6 vets, 10<3 years)

17 if last guy is an INT player. Can Protect 4.
Salary: 2 years or less: $225k, $12,500/wk
3+years: $302.4k-$383.4k; 16,800-$21,300/wk.

1. QB Logan Woodside (Vet #1)
2. RB Gary Brightwell
3. WR Kendric Pryor, 2 elevations
4. WR Cole Burgess
5. OT Andrew Coker, 1 elevation
6. OG Tashawn Manning
7. C/OG Trey Hill (Vet #2), 2 elevations
8. DE Raymond Johnson III
9. NT/DT Dominique Davis
10. LB Craig Young
11. CB Jalen Davis (Vet #3), 2 elevations
12. CB Nate Brooks
13. CB Micah Abraham
14. S PJ Jules
15. S Jaylen Key
16. Open
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(01-03-2025, 12:43 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: [ -> ]Kendall Milton to the 53 from the PS. Not a good sign for Chase Brown playing. Good job, Zach!

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2025/1/2/24334366/kendall-milton-bengals-53-man-roster-georgia-bulldogs-in-nfl

A. Offense: (26)
QB (2): Burrow; Browning
RB (4): C. Brown, Herbert, Milton, T. Williams
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; Burton, C. Jones, I. Williams
TE (5): D. Sample; Gesicki, Hudson, Grandy, McLachlan
OT (3): O. Brown; Mims, Cochran
OG (2): Cappa, Volson
C (2): Karras; Lee
OT/OG (2): Ford, Stueber
----------------

B. Defense: (24)
DE (6): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Ossai, Murphy, C. Johnson, I. Thomas
DT (4): BJ Hill, Jackson; Jenkins, Tufele
LB (4): Pratt; ADG, Njongmeta, Heyward.
CB (5): CTB, Newton, Hilton; Ivey, M. Wilson
S (5): Battle, Stone; Bell, Anthony, Anderson
-------------

C. Special Teams: (3)
PK: York
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis
--------------

D. Injured Lists (14)

1. Reserve/Injured (13) (3 of 8 returns used)
1. Cam Sample, DE/DT (Achilles, out for season)
2. Chris Evans, RB (patellar tendon, out for season)
3. D'Ante Smith, OL (patellar tendin, out for season)
4. Lance Robinson, CB (PS, undisclosed)
5. Trent Brown, OT (patellar tendon, out for season)
6. Dax Hill, CB/S (ACL, out for season)
7. OG/OT Jaxson Kirkland (torn bicep, out for season).
8. TE Erick All (knee ACL, out for season)
9. RB Zach Moss (neck)
10. CB DJ Turner II (clavicle, out for season)
11. PK McPherson (groin)
12. LB L. Wilson (knee).
13. LB Bachie (groin).

2. Reserve/Non-Football Illness (1)
1. DT Sheldon Rankins (illness)
-------------------

E. Practice Squad (16) (16 max, 6 vets, 10<3 years)

17 if last guy is an INT player. Can Protect 4.
Salary: 2 years or less: $225k, $12,500/wk
3+years: $302.4k-$383.4k; 16,800-$21,300/wk.

1. QB Logan Woodside (Vet #1)
2. RB Gary Brightwell
3. WR Kendric Pryor, 2 elevations
4. WR Cole Burgess
5. OT Andrew Coker, 1 elevation
6. OG Tashawn Manning
7. C/OG Trey Hill (Vet #2), 2 elevations
8. DE Raymond Johnson III
9. NT/DT Dominique Davis
10. LB Craig Young
11. CB Jalen Davis (Vet #3), 2 elevations
12. CB Nate Brooks
13. CB Micah Abraham
14. S PJ Jules
15. S Jaylen Key
16. Open
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not necessarily...

(01-03-2025, 06:03 PM)pally Wrote: [ -> ]not necessarily...

Not necessarily what?

Hopefully not the last elevations of the year, but WR Kendric Pryor and DT Dominique Davis both elevated for thos one, as pally pointed out already.

https://www.bengals.com/news/bengals-elevate-dt-domenique-davis-wr-kendric-pryor-to-active-roser-bengals-roster-update

A. Offense: (26)
QB (2): Burrow; Browning
RB (4): C. Brown, Herbert, Milton, T. Williams
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; Burton, C. Jones, I. Williams
TE (5): D. Sample; Gesicki, Hudson, Grandy, McLachlan
OT (3): O. Brown; Mims, Cochran
OG (2): Cappa, Volson
C (2): Karras; Lee
OT/OG (2): Ford, Stueber
----------------

B. Defense: (24)
DE (6): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Ossai, Murphy, C. Johnson, I. Thomas
DT (4): BJ Hill, Jackson; Jenkins, Tufele
LB (4): Pratt; ADG, Njongmeta, Heyward.
CB (5): CTB, Newton, Hilton; Ivey, M. Wilson
S (5): Battle, Stone; Bell, Anthony, Anderson
-------------

C. Special Teams: (3)
PK: York
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis
--------------

D. Injured Lists (14)

1. Reserve/Injured (13) (3 of 8 returns used)
1. Cam Sample, DE/DT (Achilles, out for season)
2. Chris Evans, RB (patellar tendon, out for season)
3. D'Ante Smith, OL (patellar tendin, out for season)
4. Lance Robinson, CB (PS, undisclosed)
5. Trent Brown, OT (patellar tendon, out for season)
6. Dax Hill, CB/S (ACL, out for season)
7. OG/OT Jaxson Kirkland (torn bicep, out for season).
8. TE Erick All (knee ACL, out for season)
9. RB Zach Moss (neck)
10. CB DJ Turner II (clavicle, out for season)
11. PK McPherson (groin)
12. LB L. Wilson (knee).
13. LB Bachie (groin).

2. Reserve/Non-Football Illness (1)
1. DT Sheldon Rankins (illness)
-------------------

E. Practice Squad (16) (16 max, 6 vets, 10<3 years)

17 if last guy is an INT player. Can Protect 4.
Salary: 2 years or less: $225k, $12,500/wk
3+years: $302.4k-$383.4k; 16,800-$21,300/wk.

1. QB Logan Woodside (Vet #1)
2. RB Gary Brightwell
3. WR Kendric Pryor, 3 elevations
4. WR Cole Burgess
5. OT Andrew Coker, 1 elevation
6. OG Tashawn Manning
7. C/OG Trey Hill (Vet #2), 2 elevations
8. DE Raymond Johnson III
9. NT/DT Dominique Davis, 1 elevation
10. LB Craig Young
11. CB Jalen Davis (Vet #3), 2 elevations
12. CB Nate Brooks
13. CB Micah Abraham
14. S PJ Jules
15. S Jaylen Key
16. Open
-----

(12-30-2024, 09:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: [ -> ]Coulda had Javon Kinlaw for about 1/2 the price. Let's save him from NYJ next year

As a value priced vet to rotate with the younger guys, sure.

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