(04-27-2025, 09:30 PM)Nepa Wrote: [ -> ]True. I counted 11 posters on the two pages before the draft saying the name they did not want to hear is Shemar Stewart!
If it makes anyone feel better, Luke Kuechly said Shemar Stewart had the most "upside/ceiling" of any Defensive End in the draft. He excluded Abdul Carter as he said he is more of a linebacker and not a true defensive end.
(04-29-2025, 06:01 PM)Skans Wrote: [ -> ]If it makes anyone feel better, Luke Kuechly said Shemar Stewart had the most "upside/ceiling" of any Defensive End in the draft. He excluded Abdul Carter as he said he is more of a linebacker and not a true defensive end.
Joe Goodberry posted his draft grades video yesterday.
He goes into detail the concern with Stewart.
Guy got a lot of pressures but missed a ton of tackles and really struggled disengaging and finding the ball carrier.
Goodberry graded Stewart well on everything except for tape and production, two huge pieces.
He had a mid-round grade on Stewart when it came to production.
Said Stewart would not have been someone he would have taken at 17.
(04-29-2025, 06:01 PM)Skans Wrote: [ -> ]If it makes anyone feel better, Luke Kuechly said Shemar Stewart had the most "upside/ceiling" of any Defensive End in the draft. He excluded Abdul Carter as he said he is more of a linebacker and not a true defensive end.
Yep, watched this this morning on Up And Adams with Kay.
Just like SS, MM's scouting report was "The traits and upside are there, but his skill level needs a boost to push the ceiling higher...Doesn't come up with a rush plan to beat tackles."
Murphy actually had better production and tape than SS, and he's now going into Year 3 before potentially making any real impact.
If Bengals don't get some immediate quality performance from SS this year, there will be concerns...unless Ossai/Murphy really steps up to compensate and make people be fine with relegating the shiny 1st round DE to a limited snap player this year.
Just like SS, MM's scouting report was "The traits and upside are there, but his skill level needs a boost to push the ceiling higher...Doesn't come up with a rush plan to beat tackles."
Murphy actually had better production and tape than SS, and he's now going into Year 3 before potentially making any real impact.
If Bengals don't get some immediate quality performance from SS this year, there will be concerns...unless Ossai/Murphy really steps up to compensate and make people be fine with relegating the shiny 1st round DE to a limited snap player this year.
I don't remember players like Micah Parsons and Luke Kuechly talking up Murphy and saying he had the highest ceiling of anyone in the entire
Draft but yeah, they were similar. I still think Murphy can be great too, just gained too much weight last season and it really slowed him down.
(04-30-2025, 05:56 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: [ -> ]I don't remember players like Micah Parsons and Luke Kuechly talking up Murphy and saying he had the highest ceiling of anyone in the entire
Draft but yeah, they were similar. I still think Murphy can be great too, just gained too much weight last season and it really slowed him down.
What I am starting to not like about RAS scores is they ignore drills that players don't do.
Example - SS didn't do agility drills. Would he have done well enough to keep a 10.0 RAS if he had?
Goodberry mentioned he looked somewhat stiff on tape, which contributed to why he couldn't finish some plays and get to the passer/ball carrier.
(04-30-2025, 06:08 PM)ochocincos Wrote: [ -> ]What I am starting to not like about RAS scores is they ignore drills that players don't do.
Example - SS didn't do agility drills. Would he have done well enough to keep a 10.0 RAS if he had?
Goodberry mentioned he looked somewhat stiff on tape, which contributed to why he couldn't finish some plays and get to the passer/ball carrier.
I get your thought on players ignoring certain drills which keeps their RAS scores high, should make the score go down a bit for ignoring
certain drills. Don't know what Goodberry is seeing, doesn't look stiff to me, I see an extremely agile player in Shemar Stewart. I bet he
would of done great if he did the agility drills myself.
