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So Dowd just pretty much put the nail in the coffin on Charlie Hustle's chances of ever getting back into baseballs good graces. I don't really see how this is breaking news though, and i'm sure most of us already had some suspicions that Rose bet on the game as a player as well as a manager. I'm not a Pete Rose detractor, yea he's a bad role model, but I think his accomplishments on the field far outweigh any wrong doings he's done off the field. Its obvious that Pete has a problem that is systemic. His addiction to gambling was his and still is his down fall. My only gripe is the timing with the "new evidence". Just as their seemed to be a little steam building up on Pete's side, these new findings come out. Calculated move by Dowd no doubt to try and sway public opinion. I don't believe for a second that Commissioner Manfred didn't already know about this evidence. The best thing for Pete to do is try and separate himself as far as he can from that world. Move from Vegas, get help for his addiction, and try to take on some kind of advocacy role for gambling problems.

(06-23-2015, 08:57 AM)yellowxdiscipline Wrote: [ -> ]So Dowd just pretty much put the nail in the coffin on Charlie Hustle's chances of ever getting back into baseballs good graces. I don't really see how this is breaking news though, and i'm sure most of us already had some suspicions that Rose bet on the game as a player as well as a manager. I'm not a Pete Rose detractor, yea he's a bad role model, but I think his accomplishments on the field far outweigh any wrong doings he's done off the field. Its obvious that Pete has a problem that is systemic. His addiction to gambling was his and still is his down fall. My only gripe is the timing with the "new evidence". Just as their seemed to be a little steam building up on Pete's side, these new findings come out. Calculated move by Dowd no doubt to try and sway public opinion. I don't believe for a second that Commissioner Manfred didn't already know about this evidence. The best thing for Pete to do is try and separate himself as far as he can from that world. Move from Vegas, get help for his addiction, and try to take on some kind of advocacy role for gambling problems.

Agreed, but what gets me the most is the seemingly never ending hard on this Dowd cat has for Pete.  What's his beef?  I mean, this whole thing started out as an investigation into a guy committing mail fraud and selling forged signatures.

I don't think a notebook allegedly kept by a guy who was committing fraud is compelling evidence. Furthermore, the bets that according to investigators were "clearly" made by Pete Rose have the name "Pete" above them in the notebook. Oh, well that is a different matter. I mean clearly there is only one gambler in America named Pete, so that is compelling evidence.

So, I don't think the notebook would have made it into evidence in a courtroom, but then the Dowd Report didn't have to go by court standards, it was a kangaroo court. I believe Dowd, Giamatti et al had convicted Rose before their investigation launched. They just really didn't like Pete Rose. And they aren't alone. Most people who have met him say he is an ass. But many of those will go on to add, but he was an amazing baseball player whose accomplishments are undeniable.

I really think there are two keys to this case and, as usual, nobody in the media is talking about either of them. First is the "spirit of the law" regarding the ban on betting on baseball. The rule was instituted out of concerns games were being fixed or would be fixed by gamblers inside/outside the game. Has anyone ever suggested Rose fixed a game? No - so if he bet on every game from his first at bat in Little League to his last game as a major league manager, there is no evidence he was fixing games so the spirit of the rule was not violated even if he was technically in violation all career long. Second, when the rule was written, the psychology of addictions was little understood if at all. We can view gambling today very differently than we did a century or more ago. Rose clearly has a compulsive/addictive personality and while it likely contributed to his success as an athlete (many athletes train obsessively as Rose did, and their success is fueled by this personality trait that others don't have - they will simply put in far more time than a normal person to perfect their skills) it also drove a gambling addiction which he has already paid a price for in terms of financial losses, shame, and public humiliation. On top of all that to try to deny his baseball accomplishments for a problem he literally had no control over seems particularly inhumane to me.

I think if he would have come clean in the beginning, and not lied for all those years, we'd be looking at a different scenario. They're never going to let him back into baseball, and if he ever makes it to the HOF, it'll be after he's dead. It's a shame to see one of the all time greats tarnished this way.

I didn't get the chance to see Pete Rose play in person. He was banned from baseball before I could speak. I have, however, seen videos, stats, and heard enough eyewitness testimony to know that he is one of the all-time baseball greats. Top 10 in the history of the game. It's insane that a guy like that is not in the hall of fame for his accomplishments. BUT.....he broke the rules. If you commit the crime, you must suffer the consequences of your actions. If betting on baseball was an offense that could get you banned, yet he still bet on baseball, then he doesn't deserve to be in the hall of fame....even if he's one of the best to ever put on a uniform.

I'm from Cincinnati though....so I have to side with him. Put Pete in the hall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!