A 2nd (which is what we paid for him)? A 2nd and a 3rd?

When you have a surplus at a position and someone else has a desperate need, isn't that a good time to turn a profit? 

According to Coley Harvey, these 3 guys have been the most impressive so far of the undrafted rookies...


DT DeShawn Williams, Clemson. He hasn't popped consistently in practice, but a couple of times Tuesday he did a good job setting the edge as a defensive end during drills against the first-team offense. On one play in particular, he took his blocker further and further outside, forcing quarterback Andy Dalton to leave the pocket in that same direction. Dalton was forced to throw the ball away as he went out of bounds. Williams has played both on the inside and outside as part of different packages.

TE Matt Lengel, Eastern Kentucky. While Lengel has had a couple catches in the passing game that have been impressive so far, he also has shown a measure of physicality as a blocker. Although he has Tyler Eifert, Tyler Kroft and C.J. Uzomah ahead of him on the depth chart (2014 practice squad tight end Jake Murphy has impressed some, too), the Bengals are looking for tight ends who don't shy from contact. Lengel's 6-foot-7, lean, pseudo-defensive end's frame makes him ideal to take on outside rushers.

WR Jake Kumerow, Wisconsin-Whitewater. Quite possibly the best of the undrafted rookies to this point, Kumerow practices like he's been in the NFL before. He's smooth in and out of routes, and has already demonstrated a few times an ability to get behind the defender going one-on-one with him. As the Bengals start rounding out their roster following James Wright's injured reserve designation, Kumerow could help them do it.

Harvey also thinks it will be difficult for any of them to make the 53...Full Article

2011 : 3-1 against NFC West.....3-1 against AFC South......5-3 on the road.....9-7 record and the # 2 Wild Card team. .....all in spite of Ocho wanting traded and was, and Carson wanting traded and was. The just drafted rookies AJ Green and Andy Dalton went to the Pro Bowl in 2011 and Ocho and Carson didn't. Atkins and Gresham also Pro Bowl. Nugent set a team season record in points scored and Tate set team record in punt return yards.

2012 : 3-1 against NFC East......3-1 against AFC West......6-2 on the road.....3-3 against AFC North, but by beating Steelers in Pittsburg before Christmas, Bengals knocked Steelers out of play-offs and put Bengals in the play-offs. It was a defensive war of a game that looked like could end in a 10 to 10 tie, but Nelson intercepted a pass, Dalton to Green set up game winning kick by kicker brought in to replace injured Nugent. .......Bengals had best second half of a 16 game season record since 1981, winning 7 of last 8 games. .....Bengals set a club record in sacks....Atkins set a club record of sacks by an interior lineman....Andy Dalton joined Dan Marino and Peyton Manning as the only quarterbacks to throw 20 or more touchdown passes in each of their first two seasons.....Green set a team season record of 9 straight games with a touchdown catch. Huber set team season records in gross and net punt average.....Atkins, Green, Gresham and Whitworth were Pro Bowlers......The Bengals went to the play-offs in back to back season for only the second time in franchise history, having been done in 1981-1982.

2013 : 3-1 against the NFC North......3-1 against AFC East.....2-0 against other AFC divisions.....3-3 in AFC North but finished in 1st place. ....8-0 at home, only done by 1988 Bengals.....The Bengals went to 3 straight play-offs for first time in franchise history.......Andy Dalton became only the 5th starting quarterback in NFL history to reach the play-offs in his first 3 seasons......Dalton set season franchise records in passing yards and touchdown passes......AJ Green receiving yards for first 3 years was the second most by any receiver in NFL history for first 3 years. .....Dalton joined Peyton Manning as the only NFL quarterbacks to top the 3,000 yard mark in each of their first 3 seasons.....Bengals had 2 players in double digits in receiving touchdowns for first time in franchise history, Green and Jones.....Bengals tied franchise record of consecutive games without allowing a sack.....Bengals overcame it's biggest deficit in franchise history, 16 points, coming back to beat Green Bay. ....Green and Burfict were Pro Bowlers.

2014 : 3-0-1 against NFC South.......3-1 against AFC South.....3-3 in AFC North, but win over Denver on Monday Night in week 16 got the Bengals a Wild Card. ...First time in franchise history of 4 straight winning seasons, also 4 straight play-off seasons. .....Green, Huber, Atkins and Dalton were Pro Bowlers......5-2-1 at home, so 13-2-1 at home over last two seasons in regular season....Dalton hasn't missed a start in first 4 seasons with 40-23-1 record setting best winning percentage in franchise history in regular season of any Bengals quarterback. Dalton also scored 5 touchdowns himself, tie of record set by Jack Thompson set in 1979. .....Team set franchise record for consecutive home wins, 10, in second home game of season.

So OK, the loss at home to San Diego in the 2013 play-off season hurt. On the road at Houston in 2011 and 2012 seasons, the young players were doing something just being in the play-offs. The team was way to injured to win at Indy in 2014. The loss at home in the play-offs in 2013 hurts, considering how well the team has been playing at home otherwise. .....Still, before some say Dalton is lousy, Coach Lewis is lousy, and other players and coaches are lousy, you need to read these good things Bengals have done over last 4 seasons. As for the franchise that has gone the longest without a play-off win, Coaches Shula, Coslett and LeBeau never even got us to a play-off. Quarterbacks Klingler, Blake, Smith, Kitna, O'Donnell, Frerotte never led this franchise to a play-off season. How about the 14 straight seasons without a play-off season from 1991 to 2004 ? The Era of The BUNGLES. ....Carson did lead this team to 2 play-off seasons, no play-off wins, in 8 seasons. Dalton has led this team to 4 play-offs in 4 seasons. Coach Lewis has led this team to 6 play-offs in 12 seasons in rebuilding the worst franchise in the NFL and going to the play-offs 50 % of the time. OK, no play-off wins, and losing at home in 2013 season hurt, but lets put the real reason for the no play-off win streak where it mostly belongs, on the Bungles from 1991 to 2004.

The Bengals have did a lot of good things in the last 4 seasons.....Dalton has had 4 great starting seasons for this franchise winning as no other Bengal QB has won before. ...Coach Lewis rebuilt the worst franchise in the NFL from 2003 on and has gone play-offs 50 % of the time, 6 times in 12 years. ......I think we are loaded up in players to get that play-off win, and the best is yet to come for this good young team of players becoming veterans. I will point out also that Ken Anderson led the Bengals to 2 play-offs in his first 4 seasons, with no play-off wins. Boomer Esiason had no play-offs his first 4 seasons. No Bengal quarterback has ever won a play-off game in his first 4 seasons. Dalton has at least led the Bengals to 4 straight play-off seasons and has the best winning percentage of any Bengals QB ever in regular season. Coach Lewis taking the worst franchise in the NFL and going play-offs 50 % of the time is pretty good. This team is loaded with talent and every reason to be excited about 2015. The Jungle IS The Jungle again with 13-2-1 in regular season at home over last 2 seasons. Hats off to the 12th man, the Fans.......12-3-1 against NFC last 4 seasons...12-4 against the AFC divisions Bengals had to play each team, besides AFC North.....ONLY THE BENGALS, BRONCOS, PATRIOTS and PACKERS HAVE BEEN IN THE LAST FOUR PLAY-OFFS FROM 2011 THOUGH 2014.

So Paul Dehner JR had an article about who are the 10 guys the Bengals could least afford to lose.http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2015/08/04/walkthrough-who-could-bengals-least-afford-to-lose/31096177/
I don't necessarily agree with his list so here is my list.(Feel free to post yours)
1.) Andy Dalton- He is our QB so if he misses significant time were screwed.
2.)Geno Atkins- He is our best player without him this defense is not on the same level as it is without him. 
3.) AJ Green- He is  our second best player on the team and he puts the fear of god in other teams defensive coordinators.
4.)Carlos Dunlap- led the team in sacks the past two seasons and is beast as a run defender.
5.) Andrew Whitworth- Best LT in the game nuff said.
6.)Michael Johnson- We missed his presence last season. Great run defender, good pass rusher, and he will bat his share fair of passes down.
7.)Tyler Eifert- He is the only TE on the roster that has played in an NFL game.
8.)Jermy Hill- He is a beast and would be higher on the list if Gio wasn't on the team.
9.) Marvin Jones- He is another deep threat that offenses have to watch and a top redone threat. 9 out of his 10 touchdowns were in the redzone in 2013.
10.) George Iloka- Brain of the secondary. He has a rare combination of  length and covering ability for a safety.
Honorable mention Vontaz Burfict- He is a playmaker in the middle of the defense and he would be better off with him. He has elite playmaking ability and before his injuries last season he looked like a potential DPOY candidate. I would have ranked him higher but LBs are like RBs and seem easier to replace.  

Noticed this at the bottom of Coley Harvey's report on camp.

The Bengals had several players not participate as they went through their second straight day in full pads. Receivers Marvin Jones and Onterio McCalebb, and offensive tackles Andrew Whitworth and Andre Smith all missed practice. Whitworth said he was getting a veteran's day off, and it appeared Smith received one, too. Jones has a leg injury that kept him out the past two days, and McCalebb has bruised knee that might keep him out two weeks.

A little concerned about Jones' ability to stay on the field.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/18184/dre-kirkpatricks-play-tuesday-brings-smiles-throughout-bengals-camp

Here are my bold predictions for the Bengals 2015 season.

The defense will be ranked 7th or better
The defense will get 42 or more sacks
The defense will have over 20 INTs
The offense will be a top 5 unit
A.J. Green will have at least +1600 yards and 14 TDs
Tyler Eifert will have over 1000 yards and 10 TDs
The Bengals offense will have at least 6 people with 400 or more receiving yards
Andy Dalton will throw for over 4400 yards and 35 TDs
Andy Dalton will have 11 or less INTs
Jeremy Hill will have 1600 all purpose yards, and 13 total TDs
Gio Bernard will have 1000 all purpose yards and 8 total TDs
The Bengals only lose 1 division game
The Bengals get a first round bye in the playoffs
The Bengals will go to the Super Bowl

what are your bold predictions?

Apparently the Bengals have brought in JaMarcus Russell to add to the competition

Since the Bengals last won a playoff game. 1/6/91 Oilers

7,242 Days since the Reds last won a playoff series. 10/6/95 Dodgers


24 consecutive seasons for the Bengals, 20 for the Reds. 44 combined, not a single home playoff victory for either Cincy Pro team.

Worst pro sports town in the last 20 years, easily. Zero success. Teams have to try hard not to luck into occasional post season victories. Lapped in success by expansion teams like the Browns, Panthers, Jags, Texans, Rockies, Rays, Marlins and Dbacks.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ColeyHarvey/status/628645397930639361

So much talent on the Defensive line...and can't keep them all...