02-03-2023, 12:56 PM
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The 2023 off-season - what do you want to see?
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02-03-2023, 01:00 PM
(02-03-2023, 12:54 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Jonah Williams is a legit starting left tackle in this league at the end of the day. I’d say he falls between 24th-14th in terms of left tackles who are starters So..... The guy that has given up the most sacks over the last 2 years is somehow ranked 14th-24th in terms of left tackles? Explain that one to me.
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02-03-2023, 01:14 PM
(02-03-2023, 01:04 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: LOL PFF. The chiefs really don’t have a good tackle duo at the end of the day. Orlando Brown is a little better than Jonah, and their right tackle isn’t good. But they have an elite interior. Volson is more replaceable because he is on a dirt cheap contract. A 4th round mediocre guard on a rookie deal isn’t a player you put a lot of resources in. Jonah will be starting wether it’s RT, LT or even LG. Much to your chagrin
02-03-2023, 01:16 PM
(02-03-2023, 01:14 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: The chiefs really don’t have a good tackle duo at the end of the day. Orlando Brown is a little better than Jonah, and their right tackle isn’t good. Never said he wouldn't be, it's just that he'll again be the 4th or 5th best lineman on the team. And, I'll also say that Volson will be your starting LG next year as well. The cheap rookie deal is extremely valuable at this point with all the guys that need extended. He's exactly the type of guy you put resources into.
02-03-2023, 01:23 PM
(02-03-2023, 01:16 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Never said he wouldn't be, it's just that he'll again be the 4th or 5th best lineman on the team. Volson’s replaceable, quit overrating him. The bengals are gonna stick with Jonah in 2023, and Carman might become a starting tackle. Both of those guys are high draft picks with more invested in them than Volson. If Carman and Jonah are starters, Volson needs to be replaced
02-03-2023, 01:28 PM
(02-03-2023, 01:00 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: So..... Because sacks arent a great analytic when determining how good an OL player is. The boys are just talkin' ball, babyyyy
02-03-2023, 01:28 PM
(02-03-2023, 01:02 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Why, though? He's the worst at the most important metric (sacks allowed) for the most important position on the line. That's not the most important metric. The boys are just talkin' ball, babyyyy
02-03-2023, 01:30 PM
(02-03-2023, 01:23 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Volson’s replaceable, quit overrating him. The bengals are gonna stick with Jonah in 2023, and Carman might become a starting tackle. Both of those guys are high draft picks with more invested in them than Volson. Volson would be good depth. The boys are just talkin' ball, babyyyy
02-03-2023, 02:00 PM
(02-03-2023, 01:28 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Because sacks arent a great analytic when determining how good an OL player is. (02-03-2023, 01:28 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: That's not the most important metric. I dont think I agree with this unless the sack number is a mere handful and the pressure rate is astronomically high. A sack is the second most devastating play to an offense other than a turnover. Loss of yards, loss of down, greater potential for a fumble, greater potential for QB injury, mentally and emotionally harmful to the offense and juices up the defense and their sideline.
02-03-2023, 02:13 PM
(02-03-2023, 01:02 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Explain how pff had him as a top 15 left tackle last season To the eye test, he didn't look as bad last year as he did most of this year. Grade wise, last year, they had him as the 24th overall and 34th rated in pass blocking. "The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
02-03-2023, 02:42 PM
(02-03-2023, 02:13 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: To the eye test, he didn't look as bad last year as he did most of this year. People forget Jonah dislocated his knee cap against Cleveland in week 8. He literally came back and played the week after. Hard to believe that didn't effect his performance at all. The boys are just talkin' ball, babyyyy
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02-03-2023, 04:24 PM
(02-03-2023, 02:43 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Overall, but not strictly for left tackles Even this year, he was wildly inconsistent. I can't remember what game he hurt the knee the first time but there were so many times he just looked overmatched. His balance was bad, he kept dropping his head, looked really slow to 2nd moves, got pushed right back into Burrow. Then he started to get it together for a while and he looked like we expected him to look, then it kind of fell apart again and he banged up the other knee. Since he's been here, he missed his entire rookie year, injured his neck the 2nd year then banged up both knees this year. I don't see how anyone can just pencil him in as a starter. "The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
02-03-2023, 04:30 PM
(02-03-2023, 04:24 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Even this year, he was wildly inconsistent. I can't remember what game he hurt the knee the first time but there were so many times he just looked overmatched. His balance was bad, he kept dropping his head, looked really slow to 2nd moves, got pushed right back into Burrow. Then he started to get it together for a while and he looked like we expected him to look, then it kind of fell apart again and he banged up the other knee. I can see it. $12M.
02-03-2023, 04:36 PM
(02-03-2023, 04:30 PM)casear2727 Wrote: I can see it. $12M. True. Cost effective. But i'm tired of cost effective over performance. I'm certainly not saying he can't get it together and be a solid LT. His history is arguing against it though. "The measure of a man's intelligence can be seen in the length of his argument."
02-03-2023, 04:40 PM
(02-03-2023, 04:36 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: True. Cost effective. But i'm tired of cost effective over performance. I dont know how cost effective it is, but teams, especially us, want to see big dollars playing on the field. |
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