(02-13-2023, 12:40 AM)J24 Wrote: They don't win the game without Boltons TD. Not saying he didn't have a good game but he wasn't the MVP worthy.  His teammates really stepped up for him 

He deserved this MVP more than the one against the 9ers though.

(02-13-2023, 12:34 AM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: They got Bienemy there to replace him….

Eric has not proven himself as HC, at least we know Reid has, give me the unknown 

(02-13-2023, 12:42 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Mahomes has 3 tds..no ints, played his ass off, he deserves it

It should have been Travis Kelce. 6 for 88 1 TD and the other 2 TDs were the direct result of coverage triple teaming him in the redzone causing wide open TD passes.

(02-13-2023, 12:36 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: ARTICLE 1.
The defender is allowed to maintain continuous and unbroken contact within the five-yard zone, so long as the receiver has not moved beyond a point that is even with the defender.

There's a very good chance you're looking at illegal contact. As to the penalty called:

ARTICLE 6. DEFENSIVE HOLDING

It is defensive holding if a player grasps an eligible offensive player (or his jersey) with his hands, or extends an arm or arms to cut off or encircle him.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2022-nfl-rulebook/#2022-rule-changes

So the NFL cheated so KC could win because Pat Mahomes can be the "new face" of the NFL..

Rationality never really gets in your way does it. 

(02-13-2023, 12:50 AM)bfine32 Wrote: There's a very good chance you're looking at illegal contact. As to the penalty called:

ARTICLE 6. DEFENSIVE HOLDING

It is defensive holding if a player grasps an eligible offensive player (or his jersey) with his hands, or extends an arm or arms to cut off or encircle him.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2022-nfl-rulebook/#2022-rule-changes

So the NFL cheated so KC could win because Pat Mahomes can be the "new face" of the NFL..

Rationality never really gets in your way does it. 

Go look at the article previous to that post in the nfl rule book. You left that part out. I can find it for you.

(02-13-2023, 12:52 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: Go look at the article previous to that post in the nfl rule book.  You left that part out.  I can find it for you.

Sure, go find the part and share it with me that states Defensive Holding cannot happen within 5 yards from the LOS

(02-13-2023, 12:50 AM)bfine32 Wrote: There's a very good chance you're looking at illegal contact. As to the penalty called:

ARTICLE 6. DEFENSIVE HOLDING

It is defensive holding if a player grasps an eligible offensive player (or his jersey) with his hands, or extends an arm or arms to cut off or encircle him.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2022-nfl-rulebook/#2022-rule-changes

So the NFL cheated so KC could win because Pat Mahomes can be the "new face" of the NFL..

Rationality never really gets in your way does it. 

I got this from the same place you did. Was it ever unbroken contact or was JJsS past the defender? I don’t think so. There is allowed LEGAL contact within five yards.

ARTICLE 5. LEGAL USE OF HANDS OR ARMS BY DEFENSE. A defensive player may use his hands, arms, or body to push, pull, or ward off offensive players:
(a) when he is defending himself against an obstructing opponent while attempting to reach the runner;
(b) when an opponent is obviously attempting to block him;
© in a personal attempt to reach a loose ball that has touched the ground during a backward pass, fumble, or kick;
(d) during a forward pass that has crossed the neutral zone and has been touched by any player; and
Exceptions:
(1) An eligible receiver is considered to be an obstructing opponent only to a point five yards beyond the line of scrimmage
unless the player who receives the snap demonstrates no further intention to pass the ball. See 8-4-2, 8-4-3, and 8-4-7
for rules applicable to Illegal Contact with an eligible receiver.
(2) See 8-4-5 for rules applicable for an Illegal Cut Block against an eligible receiver.
(e) during a kick. See 6-2-1 and 9-1-4 for blocking restrictions during a kick.
ARTICLE 6. DEFENSIVE HOLDING. It is a foul for defensive holding if:
(a) a defensive player tackles or holds any opponent other than a runner, except as permitted in Article 5.
Note: Any offensive player who pretends to possess the ball, and/or one to whom a teammate pretends to give the ball, may be tackled until he crosses the line of scrimmage between the tackles of a normal tight offensive line.
(b) during a punt, field goal attempt, or Try-kick attempt, B1 grabs and pulls an offensive player out of the way, allowing B2 to shoot the gap (pull-and-shoot) in an attempt to block an apparent kick, except if B1 is advancing toward the kicker.


SECTION 4 LEGAL AND ILLEGAL CONTACT WITH ELIGIBLE RECEIVERS
ARTICLE 1. LEGAL CONTACT WITHIN FIVE YARDS. Within the area five yards beyond the line of scrimmage, a defensive player may chuck an eligible receiver in front of him. The defender is allowed to maintain continuous and unbroken contact within the five-yard zone, so long as the receiver has not moved beyond a point that is even with the defender.
ARTICLE 2. ILLEGAL CONTACT WITHIN FIVE YARDS. Within the five-yard zone, if the player who receives the snap remains in the pocket with the ball, a defender may not make original contact in the back of a receiver, nor may he maintain contact after the receiver has moved beyond a point that is even with the defender.
Note: If a defender contacts a receiver within the five-yard zone of the line of scrimmage, loses contact, and then contacts him again within the five-yard zone, it is a foul for illegal contact.

(02-13-2023, 12:55 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Sure, go find the part and share it with me that states Defensive Holding cannot happen within 5 yards from the LOS

See my latest post. FYI- I won’t result to hurling insults at you in the process.

As soon as JJsS got even with Bradbury, there was no more contact.

https://twitter.com/Rate_the_Refs/status/1624969786894721025?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

(02-13-2023, 01:00 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: See my latest post. FYI- I won’t result to hurling insults at you in the process.

Yeah, you're still confusing it with illegal contact. 

(02-13-2023, 01:02 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Yeah, you're still confusing it with illegal contact. 

Legal contact is allowed within five yards, and that cannot be called holding. It literally says so in the rules.

Refer here, may help you. It is like the “holding within 5 yards of LOs for dummies”.

It helped me understand.

https://www.viqtorysports.com/understanding-5-yard-contact-rule/

https://www.rookieroad.com/football/rules-and-regulations/5-yard-bump-rule/

An AFC Championship and a Super Bowl both won on questionable defensive contact fouls. And we have folks sticking up for the Chiefs. Noted and recorded for future "discussions".

(02-13-2023, 01:06 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: Legal contact is allowed within five yards, and that cannot be called holding.  It literally says so in the rules.

Refer here, may help you. It is like the “holding within 5 yards of LOs for dummies”.

It helped me understand.

https://www.viqtorysports.com/understanding-5-yard-contact-rule/

ILLEGAL CONTACT

(02-13-2023, 01:09 AM)bfine32 Wrote: ILLEGAL CONTACT

You can’t call a hold within 5 yards of the LOs unless it’s in the back or the WR is past the defender.

This conversation is going no where. It will come out tomorrow with someone you deem much smarter than me, and then maybe you would consider that this to be true.

(02-13-2023, 12:42 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Mahomes has 3 tds..no ints, played his ass off, he deserves it

He was held under 200 yards and two biggest plays of the Game were not made by him.

https://twitter.com/cj_uzomah/status/1624969304595734529

https://twitter.com/BJHill5/status/1624968910658322435

https://twitter.com/Realrclark25/status/1624969499387768834

(02-13-2023, 01:11 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: You can’t call a hold within 5 yards of the LOs unless it’s in the back or the WR is past the defender.

This conversation is going no where.  It will come out tomorrow with someone you deem much smarter than me, and then maybe you would consider that this to be true.

OK

I stand corrected in my original comment on the Bradbury defensive holding. I thought it was not an obvious call, and had agreed with the TV commentator that it should not have been called. But I see that Bradbury himself admitted it was a hold and was hoping the refs would let it go. And the refs also explained why they made the call. So, I guess it was an obvious hold.

I don't remember the refs addressing the key penalties and missed calls in last year's Super Bowl or the last KC-Bengals game, but I guess they did here. I guess they can't have the KC Super Bowl win tarnished and it was getting lambasted for this call. Wish the Bengals PI against the Rams had been addressed by the on-field refs or the Burrow "intentional grounding" in the KC game or the push in the back in the kick return. But the refs were asked and did address this game-deciding penalty in the KC/Philly Super Bowl.

FWIW holding is always illegal.

Dude admitted he held and said he hoped the refs would "let it ride."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10065429-eagles-james-bradberry-admits-to-holding-hoped-refs-would-let-it-ride

(02-13-2023, 12:16 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Neither did Pigpen. He just makes sure we can all see how injured he is so everyone can gush about his toughness.

Yeah, pretty sure Pat was valedictorian at the Pigpen Rapistberger School for Drama Queens.