(10-06-2024, 10:16 PM)jj22 Wrote: Well that’s all pretty much anyone has said around here regarding Burrow. Him needing a half season to warm up can be put to rest with the offensive production since week 2.

He is having the best start of his career. 

No one around here hates Burrow. But the clutch situation is a situation. And it’s been one. And folks have been and are slow to come around to it around here. With the exception of an astute few. 

The bengals were up 10 with less than 6 minutes left. The defense gave up 10.

In OT they get the ball back and settle for a 50+ yard FG with 3 straight runs. The defense then allowed a 50 yard run.

Blame burrow all you want, but he has been insane since week 1.

(10-06-2024, 10:39 PM)jj22 Wrote: I agree with you on this. 

As far as my “bad” Burrow takes. I sounded the warning on him not going to last the season early last season to severe backlash……. Only to have been right. But I hate to say I told you so so I let it ride since we all hated to see it. 

And I been sounding the alarm on the clutch situation. Only to face backlash and belittlement. Only for Burrow to continue to … lose in 1score games. 

So my takes as people around here know aren’t bad. They are ahead of their time and the board always catches up. Eventually. And when folks do I usually take the high road. Not this time tho. Not wothout any backing and with another close loss there wasn’t one. I was t going to let y’all silence other astute posters. I walked so they can run and I’ll back them as they do. 

the durability and slow starts are of course a legit criticism. the clutch crap is a joke argument. your 1 score narrative lacks context. its a biased take

(10-06-2024, 10:41 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: the durability and slow starts are of course a legit criticism. the clutch crap is a joke argument. your 1 score narrative lacks context. its a biased take

The slow start was all of 1 week this season. Since then the offense has averaged 32.5 points a game, and Joe has had a passer rating of 100 or higher in every game.

(10-06-2024, 10:39 PM)jj22 Wrote: I agree with you on this. 

As far as my “bad” Burrow takes. I sounded the warning on him not going to last the season early last season to severe backlash……. Only to have been right. But I hate to say I told you so so I let it ride since we all hated to see it. 

And I been sounding the alarm on the clutch situation. Only to face backlash and belittlement. Only for Burrow to continue to … lose in 1score games. 

So my takes as people around here know aren’t bad. They are ahead of their time and the board always catches up. Eventually. And when folks do I usually take the high road. Not this time tho. Not with the clutch convo y’all so late to come around to.  Not wothout any backing and with another close loss there wasn’t an argument otherwise when another poster brought it up. I wasn’t t going to let y’all silence other astute posters. I walked so they can run and I’ll back them as they do. 

I think it is funny that you think you are so right.  The level of ego and lack of realistic perception is quite profound.

(10-06-2024, 10:44 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The slow start was all of 1 week this season. The offense has averaged 32.5 points a game, and Joe has had a passer rating of 100 or higher in every game since.

i mean throughout his career. this year it wasnt a thing

Is it a biased take? Or a painful one. All we need is 1 score and so many times we’ve had the opportunities in the 4th quarter to win a game that isn’t out of contexts it’s the games we’ve all watched over the last 4 years. how many drives to end the SB and only needing 3.

You see it over and over in these close games. Blame who you want and many blame the coaches but it’s just not getting done when points are needed the most.

The 1 score game issue is the smoking gun. 

(10-06-2024, 10:21 PM)casear2727. Wrote: If the defense gets ONE more stop in each game the Bengals are 5-0.

NFL games are generally within a td. So yeah, take 7 pts off the board and it likely shifts who wins.

(10-06-2024, 10:44 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The slow start was all of 1 week this season. Since then the offense has averaged 32.5 points a game, and Joe has had a passer rating of 100 or higher in every game.

Yep. The defense sucks. Bad.

(10-06-2024, 10:46 PM)jj22 Wrote: Is it a biased take? Or a painful one. All we need is 1 score and so many times we’ve had the opportunities in the 4th quarter to win a game that isn’t out of contexts it’s the games we’ve all watched over the last 4 years. how many drives to end the SB and only needing 3.

You see it over and over in these close games. Blame who you want and many blame the coaches but it’s just not getting done when points are needed the most.

I’m gonna go with the unit that gave up 520 total yards. YMMV

(10-06-2024, 10:47 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yep. The defense sucks. Bad.

Like historically bad. With even a mediocre defense we’re a legit contender, and Burrow is the front runner for MVP.

(10-06-2024, 10:29 PM)jj22 Wrote: How many one score games have we lost in the Burrow era….

One score games are the norm in the NFL.

The problem isn't Burrow. It's the same as it's always been... Ownership and management. It's the same ol same ol. Ring of honors and practice bubbles and some free agents hid it for a few years, but they have no idea how to sustain success beyond a franchise QB's rookie contract. Oh... And this defense is trash.

(10-06-2024, 10:46 PM)jj22 Wrote: Is it a biased take? Or a painful one. All we need is 1 score and so many times we’ve had the opportunities in the 4th quarter to win a game that isn’t out of contexts it’s the games we’ve all watched over the last 4 years. how many drives to end the SB and only needing 3.

You see it over and over in these close games. Blame who you want and many blame the coaches but it’s just not getting done when points are needed the most.

you either havent watched all of the games from 2021-now, or you have bad memory. Youre just letting the bigger moments (super bowl, 22 afc chip) trump the clutch moments that werent those 2 huge games. Once again, I can point to the 2 game winning throws in the 21 playoff run against kc and tennessee. you'll just move the goalposts anyways. Plus there are games that the bengals ultimately lost, but Burrow would drive down the field to send it to ot (san fran 21)

(10-06-2024, 10:46 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: NFL games are generally within a td. So yeah, take 7 pts off the board and it likely shifts who wins.

Doesnt have to be 7pts, could be a FG.  Asking for ONE stop in the last 3 losses in which the opponents only punted 5 times IS NOT an unreasonable request.  Not your best take.

there's a reason why the "Burrow isnt clutch" narrative isnt taking off nationally. Because people know it's ridiculous. a small minority of people are the only ones who take that narrative seriously

(10-06-2024, 10:52 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: you either havent watched all of the games from 2021-now, or you have bad memory. Youre just letting the bigger moments (super bowl, 22 afc chip) trump the clutch moments that werent those 2 huge games. Once again, I can point to the 2 game winning throws in the 21 playoff run against kc and tennessee. you'll just move the goalposts anyways. Plus there are games that the bengals ultimately lost, but Burrow would drive down the field to send it to ot (san fran 21)

Even the 22 AFCCG was on the defense at the end of the day.

(10-06-2024, 10:54 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: there's a reason why the "Burrow isnt clutch" narrative isnt taking off nationally. Because people know it's ridiculous. a small minority of people are the only ones who take that narrative seriously

Chris canty will somehow have a field day on burrow tomorrow. He has finally been the one to turn me off ESPn. I know many jumped ship a while ago, but I just can’t listen to him anymore.

(10-06-2024, 10:56 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Even the 22 AFCCG was on the defense at the end of the day.

idk why i argue with the other guy here. its a lost cause. Burrow could drive down for a fg to take the lead with 1 minute left, then the defense will blow it and give up a touchdown as time expires, and the guy would blame burrow for only being able to settle for 3

Yes the defense is to blame. All of the blame should be sheltered by the defense. That’s the big picture view tho.

When you pull back the curtain they got stops when needed the most.Gave the offense a chance to win it or extend the lead. This game should have never went to OT. A clutch QB gets a FG with 1:23 left. We were supposed to have faith it would get done. Like we would have when Burrow was drafted. Like all the fans of the greats. Other fans should be saying they left too much time on the clock for Burrow. No one says that. We are more likely to get a 3 and out then the game winning drive.

If some how the Offense could score 3 more points. In those last couple drives.

But this loss is on the defense. And I genuinely believe that. 

(10-06-2024, 11:02 PM)jj22 Wrote: Yes the defense is to blame. All of the blame should be sheltered by the defense. That’s the big picture view tho.

When you pull back the curtain they got stops when needed the most.Gave the offense a chance to win it or extend the lead. This game should have never went to OT. A clutch QB gets a FG with 1:23 left. We were supposed to have faith it would get done. Like we would have when Burrow was drafted. Like all the fans of the greats. Other fans should be saying they left too much time on the clock for Burrow. No one says that. We are more likely to get a 3 and out then the game winning drive.

If some how the Offense could score 3 more points. In those last couple drives.

well a botched snap and hold certainly prevented that

(10-06-2024, 10:53 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Doesnt have to be 7pts, could be a FG.  Asking for ONE stop in the last 3 losses in which the opponents only punted 5 times IS NOT an unreasonable request.  Not your best take.

But the defense got the needed stop. Granted one was after giving up 35 points and the other one was thanks to a bad snap. 

Clutch isn’t throwing 5 TDs in a loss. It’s getting one stop even after giving up 35. Or even getting  your team in winning position after having your worst game as a pro.