(11-18-2024, 11:41 PM)jj22 Wrote: Everyone loves our drafts because Duke and the scout(s) uses their top 300 draft prospect rankings (Kiper) and mock drafts. 

So they get high praise for the pundits favorites and recognizable names. 

Jackson Carman?

Taylor would, without doubt, get another chance. He took the bengals to a superbowl and AFCCG. Would he be given as much power, meaning calling plays? Doubtful. But he clearly is able to build team Chemistry in a locker room.

Head coaches that have or will get another HC opportunity if they had been or were canned by current team.

This is a list of Super Bowl losing coaches.

K Shannaha
N Sirriani
A Reid
S Mcvay
B Bellicheck (will be a HC next year)
D Quinn (falcons ->commanders)
Ron Rivera=panthers -> commanders)
P Carrol (outside of age, he could be a HC if he wanted)
John fox (broncos -> Bears)
Harbaugh (SF -> chargers)
Mike Tomlin
Jim Caldwell (Colts -> Lions)
Ken wisenhunt (cardinals -> titans)
Lovie smith (bears -> Bucs)


You have to go back to 2006 Seahawks under mike holmgren, as the last HC (Pete carrol, but he is still on staff as an advisor, he is just old and didn’t want that responsibility anymore) who didn’t get another HC opportunity. There is a caveat that he got some opportunities as a GM.

Many (most) of the rehires didn’t work out, but If you are a HC and take your team to a Super Bowl, you will almost certainly get another shot somewhere else.

(11-18-2024, 11:38 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I think Darrin Simmons (though his stock also seems to have dropped the last couple years with Robbins last year, McPherson this year, and some really bad returners), Brad Kragthorpe, and Troy Walters would all find jobs pretty quickly. The latter two maybe because of how good Burrow/Chase/Tee are rather than the job they've done with anyone else.

I'm not sure how many others would find jobs again at their current job level.

Hobby, Rascati, Walters, Simmons, and I think Hill would easily. Maybe some others.

(11-19-2024, 09:53 AM)Big Boss Wrote: Yeah.  Minus some lapses in judgment from a play-calling standpoint, the offense has mostly looked pretty damn good this year.

You mean like consistently passing the ball on basically every first down inside the 3 yard line?  Then essentially having to do the same on 2nd and 3rd, only to get false starts, an illegal motion or holding penalty to set you back.  Been watching this madness all year.  Pure stupidity.  That's play calling (Zac) and not on the OC.

I'm sure a great percentage of our coaching staff would catch on elsewhere. The caller was just venting after a loss. The point was how quickly and vehemently theydefended Duke. IDK if it's because Kirwan is a former GM and they have a fraternity but they were having no part of Duke not getting a GM job and quickly.

(11-19-2024, 12:08 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm sure a great percentage of our coaching staff would catch on elsewhere. The caller was just venting after a loss. The point was how quickly and vehemently theydefended Duke. IDK if it's because Kirwan is a former GM and they have a fraternity  but they were having no part of Duke not getting a GM job and quickly.

I think that they know that he's handicapped by Mike Brown and that his title is just a shield to protect Brown. He has some weight in the organization, but he's mostly just in charge of handing info to the boss.

Wasn’t it 4-5 years ago they decided to not draft a once in a decade center Creed Humphrey for a bum who they cut in the preseason? Because Big Willie Anderson went to Mike Brown and pounded the table for that guy?

Yeah, not taking drafting advice from guys who aren’t good at evaluating talent would be a plus.

He’s a Bengal great, but he is no evaluator of talent.

(11-19-2024, 01:14 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: Wasn’t it 4-5 years ago they decided to not draft a once in a decade center Creed Humphrey for a bum who they cut in the preseason? Because Big Willie Anderson went to Mike Brown and pounded the table for that guy?

Yeah, not taking drafting advice from guys who aren’t good at evaluating talent would be a plus.

He’s a Bengal great, but he is no evaluator of talent.

Willie Anderson has no part in bengals picking Jackson carman. He might have voiced his opinion and supported the pick, but this is nonsense.

I assume Duke is graded on a curve since he's technically playing second bananer to a GM who has had 34 drafts and a billion picks and like 25+ top 5 draft picks with 0 HOF players to show for it.

No denying Duke is rubber banded to a dud.

(11-19-2024, 01:47 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I assume Duke is graded on a curve since he's technically playing second bananer to a GM who has had 34 drafts and a billion picks and like 25+ top 5 draft picks with 0 HOF players to show for it.

No denying Duke is rubber banded to a dud.

Geeze...3 years ago there was speculation that Katie and Troy were running the show.

Now, that we're losing again...Mike Brown and Duke are the fall guys.

(11-18-2024, 11:32 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I was listening to Sirius this afternoon and a frustrated Bengal fan came on the vent.

He started with Mikey being 89 (is he really that old) and had enough of Zac, Lou, Duke, Pritcher and the whole FO/Coaching staff (you know the type). He said if they were all fired today, they would never get an offer from another NFL Franchise.

I was waiting for Kirwan and Milz to correct him on Zac and they eventually brought that up as an after-thought, but the person they both balked on loudly and immediately was Duke. They both said Duke would be snapped up before the ink dried on the pink slip and laughed at dude for thinking otherwise.

Just made me think. Everyone loves our drafts he day after but they seem to never pan out.

Kind of strange them laughing off the guy and acting like Duke would be some hot commodity. I thought the main reason Duke got the job
here was because he was friends of the Brown/Blackburn family and Bill Tobin's son. That doesn't sound like he would be a hot commodity 
for anyone else.

Simmons, Walters and Kragthorpe would probably find jobs pretty quickly as TLL said. Zac has never really been a great OC, he was even 
really bad on the Bearcats so that would hurt his chances. Lou has been terrible this year as a DC no matter what Romo has said about him.

(11-19-2024, 01:47 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I assume Duke is graded on a curve since he's technically playing second bananer to a GM who has had 34 drafts and a billion picks and like 25+ top 5 draft picks with 0 HOF players to show for it.

No denying Duke is rubber banded to a dud.

He reports to the Blackburns now,  its been that way for the past 15 seasons!

(11-19-2024, 01:47 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I assume Duke is graded on a curve since he's technically playing second bananer to a GM who has had 34 drafts and a billion picks and like 25+ top 5 draft picks with 0 HOF players to show for it.

No denying Duke is rubber banded to a dud.

I'm going to guess it'll be 2. I think Whit and Geno get in. Maybe not first ballot, but they'll get in.

Whit because he had a really good really long career and then went to LA and won a SB before going into the media (being good on the media after playing career is a HoF booster).

Geno because everyone seemed to recognize how dominant he was, and there's not many guys with 8+ Pro Bowls, multiple 1st Team All-Pros, AND most importantly a HoF All-Decade Team who don't go into the Hall.

(11-19-2024, 01:36 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Willie Anderson has no part in bengals picking Jackson carman.  He might have voiced his opinion and supported the pick, but this is nonsense.

Mike Brown called Willie and asked his thoughts about him. I guess Willie gave him his stamp of approval and the Bengals picked him. I think they consulted Piano Man as well.

(11-19-2024, 02:08 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Geeze...3 years ago there was speculation that Katie and Troy were running the show.

Now, that we're losing again...Mike Brown and Duke are the fall guys.

I think they have more say than in the past for sure. They don't escape my wrath....I lump em in with Son of Paul and Duke. 

I don't know the details, hell we never do, but I simply assume Duke isn't exactly a top-tier GM because he's willing to work for an owner/franchise that won't give him the title of GM.

(11-19-2024, 03:51 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I'm going to guess it'll be 2. I think Whit and Geno get in. Maybe not first ballot, but they'll get in.

Whit because he had a really good really long career and then went to LA and won a SB before going into the media (being good on the media after playing career is a HoF booster).

Geno because everyone seemed to recognize how dominant he was, and there's not many guys with 8+ Pro Bowls, multiple 1st Team All-Pros, AND most importantly a HoF All-Decade Team who don't go into the Hall.

I seriously doubt Whit ever gets in. Nothing against him, but he is always going to be measured against Joe Thomas.

I don’t know. Duke sniffed out Burrow and Chase.

The Brown family are all the proof anyone will ever need to know that making a few BILLION dollars in the NFL is in no way connected with winning records. You just have to show up for the participation trophy once a year.. Not a bad gig if you can get it.   

(11-18-2024, 11:32 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I was listening to Sirius this afternoon and a frustrated Bengal fan came on the vent.

He started with Mikey being 89 (is he really that old) and had enough of Zac, Lou, Duke, Pritcher and the whole FO/Coaching staff (you know the type). He said if they were all fired today, they would never get an offer from another NFL Franchise.

I was waiting for Kirwan and Milz to correct him on Zac and they eventually brought that up as an after-thought, but the person they both balked on loudly and immediately was Duke. They both said Duke would be snapped up before the ink dried on the pink slip and laughed at dude for thinking otherwise.

Just made me think. Everyone loves our drafts he day after but they seem to never pan out.

I think a lot of people "trust the Front Office" when it comes to draft picks. They have often not made consensus "value" picks in the draft.

For example, I think Drew Sample (round 4), Jackson Carman (round 3), Cam Sample (round 6), Zachary Carter (round 4), Cordell Volson (round 6-7), Jermaine Burton (round 5), and McKinnley Jackson (round 6) were all considered reaches on draft day; some of them were considered fairly large reaches. In parentheses is NFL.com's round projection for each player.

To me, there has been at least one head scratcher in every single draft. And, so far, not a single one of those head scratcher picks has turned into a quality starter. Some of them have held starter roles purely out of lack of options (like Volson), but I can't remember the last time the Bengals drafted a player who I thought was overdrafted, and then they turned into a quality player.