(12-10-2024, 04:19 PM)Whatever Wrote: McKinnley Jackson is such trash.  Huge reach because of need.

hes far from trash..he's a rookie and one with great potential..when the defensive line lacks robustness in the middle the entire line looks bad

(12-10-2024, 03:40 PM)Joelist Wrote: The Geno Stone score jump was interesting also as they changed how they were using him. Lou let him attack a lot more and not sit back so much; could be that is how he plays best.

If the Ravens film is any indication, that is 100% how he plays best.

(12-11-2024, 10:54 AM)Whatever Wrote: Well, they decided not to resign or replace Reader, then drafted for need in a bad NT class.  Like you said, NT has a long development curve.  Jackson was never going to come in and fill that immediate need, so reaching for him was pretty bad.  We obviously needed help all over.

We'll see how he develops, but his current level of play doesn't inspire much confidence that he will be more than another Zach Carter.  

Rankins was supposed to be the Reader coverage, remember?

All joking aside, the Bengals likely were not planning for Jackson to play much at all this season.
It was going to be Hill and Rankins as the starters with Jenkins and Tufele getting into the rotation.
Carter as well until they decided to cut him for such poor performance into his 3rd season.

It also did not help that Jackson missed pretty much all of TC and preseason due to an injury and didn't get cleared to practice until beginning of Oct and didn't play until Oct 6 vs Ravens. He's behind the curve on growth, plus he's a 3rd round comp pick.
Some people have way too unrealistic expectations for these mid-round picks to contribute so much so early.

The real crime was the Bengals thinking A) Rankins was a sufficient replacement for Reader, and B) having to rely so much on inexperienced/unproven depth.

(12-11-2024, 12:56 AM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: He has the best pressure rate of any of iur interior lineman outside of Hill. Low bar, but a fact. 

Which is pretty surprising to me as I thought of him as more of a 1 trick pony run stopping Nose Tackle. But McKinnley Jackson has 
some athleticism and twitch I didn't expect. He is far from trash and even DJ Reader was bad as a rookie. People can hate on taking a
NT that early in the Draft, but where we took him was exactly where I thought McKinnley would go, in the 3rd.

Still believe whoever took T'Vondre Sweat was the team that reached for a NT in that draft. He is a lazy POS with off field problems.

(12-11-2024, 01:25 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: when a DJ Ivey gives you hope you know how bad the defense actually is

It has been bad that is for sure, especially CTB who really let us all down this season. Thought he would of went the opposite way 
with his athleticism. Instead, he got beat like a drum all year long. I initially wanted a TE in that draft instead of another Corner but 
since we picked him DJ Ivey has been a good player when healthy.

(12-11-2024, 01:26 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: hes far from trash..he's a rookie and one with great potential..when the defensive line lacks robustness in the middle the entire line looks bad

He was the 150th ranked prospect on the Consensus Big Board.  He could and should improve, but "great potential" is a big stretch.

When he's in the game, he's literally half of the interior defensive line.  He's a big part of that "lack of robustness".

(12-11-2024, 03:33 PM)Whatever Wrote: He was the 150th ranked prospect on the Consensus Big Board.  He could and should improve, but "great potential" is a big stretch.

When he's in the game, he's literally half of the interior defensive line.  He's a big part of that "lack of robustness".

How many great nfl players werr drafed inlater round and were not rated high on any concencus board...tons...hes a solid rookie with potential to improve..the least of the bengals worries

(12-11-2024, 03:58 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: How many great nfl players werr drafed inlater round and were not rated high on any concencus board...tons...hes a solid rookie with potential to improve..the least of the bengals worries

Ah. .the Tom Brady fallacy again.

Jackson has a 35.3 PFF grade for the year, which has to be one of, if not the worst, on a bad team.  He is miles from solid.  Jenkins is solid.  Jackson sucks.  

I just hope they don't pass on a top NT prospect in next year's strong DT class because they reached for Jackson.  I hope he develops into a good player, but he's shown nothing to give any hope of that.  

(12-11-2024, 07:36 PM)Whatever Wrote: Ah. .the Tom Brady fallacy again.

Jackson has a 35.3 PFF grade for the year, which has to be one of, if not the worst, on a bad team.  He is miles from solid.  Jenkins is solid.  Jackson sucks.  

I just hope they don't pass on a top NT prospect in next year's strong DT class because they reached for Jackson.  I hope he develops into a good player, but he's shown nothing to give any hope of that.  

He'll find his groove. 7 tackles in 153 snaps at NT isn't horrible, no matter what PFF says.

(12-11-2024, 07:43 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: He'll find his groove. 7 tackles in 153 snaps at NT isn't horrible, no matter what PFF says.

Zach Carter will find his groove too

(12-11-2024, 08:00 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Zach Carter will find his groove too

Zach Carter had a few seasons with which to improve his game, McKinnley Jackson is still a rookie.

However, bringing up Carter's fate does speak toward the idea that Marion Hobby cannot develop the players he's been given to work with.

(12-11-2024, 02:16 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Rankins was supposed to be the Reader coverage, remember?

All joking aside, the Bengals likely were not planning for Jackson to play much at all this season.
It was going to be Hill and Rankins as the starters with Jenkins and Tufele getting into the rotation.
Carter as well until they decided to cut him for such poor performance into his 3rd season.

It also did not help that Jackson missed pretty much all of TC and preseason due to an injury and didn't get cleared to practice until beginning of Oct and didn't play until Oct 6 vs Ravens. He's behind the curve on growth, plus he's a 3rd round comp pick.
Some people have way too unrealistic expectations for these mid-round picks to contribute so much so early.

The real crime was the Bengals thinking A) Rankins was a sufficient replacement for Reader, and B) having to rely so much on inexperienced/unproven depth.

Tufele, can just pack his bags and hit the gravel. I wish they would put that Rogers kid in. Another 330+lbs with Jackson, tough sledding in the middle.

(12-11-2024, 03:33 PM)Whatever Wrote: He was the 150th ranked prospect on the Consensus Big Board.  He could and should improve, but "great potential" is a big stretch.

When he's in the game, he's literally half of the interior defensive line.  He's a big part of that "lack of robustness".

Who's big board?

(12-11-2024, 02:28 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Which is pretty surprising to me as I thought of him as more of a 1 trick pony run stopping Nose Tackle. But McKinnley Jackson has 
some athleticism and twitch I didn't expect. He is far from trash and even DJ Reader was bad as a rookie. People can hate on taking a
NT that early in the Draft, but where we took him was exactly where I thought McKinnley would go, in the 3rd.

The one time that McKinnley Jackson stood out to me was on a WR screen, where McKinnely Jackson took off after the fast receiver. He didn't tackle him, but he got to him just after he was tackled 10 yards past the line of scrimmage. In other words, Jackson was hustling his ass off trying to get the speedy receiver. It showed to me that he may have the right internal drive. That was not the case with Sweat and many physical specimens who never seemed to have the work ethic or passion. That's my hope, at least. If he has the work ethic and passion for football, he has the physical attributes.

(12-11-2024, 02:28 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Which is pretty surprising to me as I thought of him as more of a 1 trick pony run stopping Nose Tackle. But McKinnley Jackson has 
some athleticism and twitch I didn't expect. He is far from trash and even DJ Reader was bad as a rookie. People can hate on taking a
NT that early in the Draft, but where we took him was exactly where I thought McKinnley would go, in the 3rd.

Still believe whoever took T'Vondre Sweat was the team that reached for a NT in that draft. He is a lazy POS with off field problems.


It has been bad that is for sure, especially CTB who really let us all down this season. Thought he would of went the opposite way 
with his athleticism. Instead, he got beat like a drum all year long. I initially wanted a TE in that draft instead of another Corner but 
since we picked him DJ Ivey has been a good player when healthy.

You will get to see Sweat this Sunday. I have only seen him play once so far, against the Chargers. He basically looked like a big blob that day...

Volson best pass blocker and Cappa best run blocker, just like we all predicted. But the truth is, Dallas wasn't any sort of test, especially for the interior OLine.

(12-12-2024, 02:12 AM)BoomerFan Wrote: Volson best past blocker and Cappa best run blocker, just like we all predicted. But the truth is, Dallas wasn't any sort of test, especially for the interior OLine.

Exactly, I wouldn't get too carried away with PFF scores vs. Dallas.

(12-11-2024, 08:09 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Zach Carter had a few seasons with which to improve his game, McKinnley Jackson is still a rookie.

However, bringing up Carter's fate does speak toward the idea that Marion Hobby cannot develop the players he's been given to work with.

And a rookie coming off injury. Man people are quick to dismiss players around here.

(12-11-2024, 11:11 PM)sandwedge Wrote: Who's big board?

NFL Mock Draft Database has the Consensus Big Board, which is the average ranking of players from dozens of major draft sites.  

I think the moral of the story is don't reach for guys in the 3rd round because of need.  They are rarely going to be able to come in and adequately fill it.  

(12-12-2024, 10:55 AM)Whatever Wrote: NFL Mock Draft Database has the Consensus Big Board, which is the average ranking of players from dozens of major draft sites.  

I think the moral of the story is don't reach for guys in the 3rd round because of need.  They are rarely going to be able to come in and adequately fill it.  

Speaking of MDD, how does one access the scouting report and info panel on prospects on their simulator?

(12-12-2024, 11:15 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Speaking of MDD, how does one access the scouting report and info panel on prospects on their simulator?

You can't, so far as I'm aware.