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Sunset did not make anything up. Check out Spotrac, his value according to them is 16.3 million. I think it is low, but Spotrac is not a bad source for contract info.

I have said it in other threads, I have been back and forth, but 2 high paid WR's who are still young is a lot different than one being under 25 and the other being over 30. Higgins and Chase are very young so less risk for us to sign the to long term deals.


Spotrac...according to bleacher report estimates that higgins contract would be in the 19 miklion dollar range and " considerably more" if there is a bidding war..should the bengals consecutively tag higgins...it would be around 25 million..higgins has missed 10 games alone the past two seasons with chronic hamstring problems..the risk is already right in front of you yet you chose to ignore it

I’m not convinced with the money they’ll save from signing Tee that they’ll go out and acquire the right players on defense.

Tee is a proven asset. I rather they nail the draft on D than lose the best WR2 in football.

I fully believe T makes the offense better it showed when he is out he is like T. J. Houshmandzadeh. Just makes the team better. So if we let him go who knows what our offense will be like.
Our defense is a red hot mess. But I don’t think the front office or coaching staff believe this. They need to balance it out.

This year after the 3rd or 4th game shows what a high power offense and basically no defense will get us.
Other teams fins a way to have one side high power and the other side good enough.

We need better scouting and personnel decisions. Until that happens we will struggle

Also have to get way better in division play

Keep tee and build defense. Also o line is still in need of help

Definitely re-sign Tee at $17 million per year. Yet would not go a penny over $20 million.

But Sportrak even saying this means that many on here overvalue Higgins by a long shot.

(12-31-2024, 11:03 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: You can if structured right.  You can if it’s your best 3 players.

Average Annual Salary (2024), this is not exhaustive:
Jared Goff - $53m
St Brown - $30m
Sewell - $28m

Hurts $51m
Brown $32m
Smith $25m

Jordan Love $55m
Rashawn Gary $24m
Kenny Clark $21m

If you don’t pay Higgins, who else are you going to pay?  Enlighten me, since I am so dumb.  

You pay your best players, regardless of position.  When you draft well and have to start making tough decisions, let’s talk.

The Packers are paying 2 DL and the Lions are paying an OT in this example, not the same as a QB, 2 WR. The Eagles are mortgaging their future if you ask me. It may be worth it, time will tell that tale buts its debatable Would say Barkley is the main reason and he is not even listed by you as one of their top 3 players oddly

Am all for moving Tee's money to the trenches like your examples shows 2 out of 3 teams listed did. We already know it worked for Mahomes who I would think is the closest comparison to Joe. He got rid of his #1 WR and won several SB's since.

(01-01-2025, 09:44 PM)AlphaBengal Wrote: I’m not convinced with the money they’ll save from signing Tee that they’ll go out and acquire the right players on defense.

Tee is a proven asset. I rather they nail the draft on D than lose the best WR2 in football.

If you are that  certain about failing to acquire right Free agent on Def. and we know defense needs more work than offense, Bengals should resign/restructure the more important and better player in Tre over Tee. Another plus is bengals outside of Ross have done well in drafting high round WRs and in todays draft WRs  have become more numerous than DEs so more likely to select the next Tee replacement than Tre.   

(01-02-2025, 07:46 AM)Go Cards Wrote: We already know it worked for Mahomes who I would think is the closest comparison to Joe. He got rid of his #1 WR and won several SB's since.

It’s not a great comparison, imo. For one, KC had 2 other HoF caliber players on the team besides Mahomes in Kelce and Jones. They also draft infinitely better than the Bengals so the picks they got for Tyreek actually turned into another true impact player in Trent McDuffie. They were better suited to trade away a proven commodity when they still had 3 upper echelon players, and a FO who actually knows how to draft. Not to mention they didn’t trade away Tyreek when he was only 25 years old.

(12-31-2024, 10:04 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I personally want the best WR available in the 1st round. I think thats the route they should go

Lean on chase brown and khalil herbert a little more if you have to. Especially with an upgrade at one of the Guard positions

proceed to fix the defense as best as possible

I would resign Gesicki,  restructure Tre's contract , and your 1st two picks in draft need to be in no order  DE and WR, possible sign Veteran WR on an incentive  one year deal vs signing Tee to a large contract. As 2nd WR he should only warrant low 20s a year.

(12-28-2024, 12:14 AM)Whacked Wrote: I think most here would agree that:
1. Our O is anywhere from an 8 to a 10 (let's call it a "9")
2. Our D is anywhere from a 1 to a 3 (let's call it a "2")

For next season, would you rather:
A. Spend loot to keep Tee....and maintain this "9"...but not be able to rebuild this trash D
(Pray some inexpensive pieces can be found to shore up the D a hair)
-OR-
B. Lose Tee, probably slip to a 6-7
(It's not just about Tee's abilities but he commands attn and makes Chase better too)
AND
Spend loot to have a D that is mid-tier ...let's go w a 5-6

Keep Higgins.
Cincinnati can have a viable D if they can sign a couple of quality but aging DL's and DB's and keep Hendrickson, and then just make certain they DRAFT WELL.  Don't forget this is the owner that drafter John Ross over Patrick Mahomes and TJ Watt.

(01-02-2025, 07:16 AM)Go Cards Wrote: Definitely re-sign Tee at $17 million per year.  Yet would not go a penny over $20 million.

But Sportrak even saying this means that many on here overvalue Higgins by a long shot.

Higgins gets hurt too much to demand top, top dollar.  I'm not sure many teams are going to be willing to pay him #1 receiver money knowing he will likely miss 4 or 5 games a season

(01-01-2025, 09:44 PM)AlphaBengal Wrote: I’m not convinced with the money they’ll save from signing Tee that they’ll go out and acquire the right players on defense.

Tee is a proven asset. I rather they nail the draft on D than lose the best WR2 in football.

"I rather they nail the draft on D"
The odds of that happening are prob 10%, esp drafting defense.

(01-02-2025, 09:54 AM)swilson3828 Wrote: Keep Higgins.
Cincinnati can have a viable D if they can sign a couple of quality but aging DL's and DB's and keep Hendrickson, and then just make certain they DRAFT WELL.  Don't forget this is the owner that drafter John Ross over Patrick Mahomes and TJ Watt.

Same owner that drafted Higgins... as a whole this team as a very good history outside of Ross with 1/2 round WRs and WR is plentiful more and more in drafts with now getting older more established college players and just the way the college game has changed more developed Wrs coming out each year.   I don;t see any way we can keep Tre if we sign Higgins, to me Tre is more important than Higgins

(01-02-2025, 09:54 AM)swilson3828 Wrote: Keep Higgins.
Cincinnati can have a viable D if they can sign a couple of quality but aging DL's and DB's and keep Hendrickson, and then just make certain they DRAFT WELL.  Don't forget this is the owner that drafter John Ross over Patrick Mahomes and TJ Watt.

you mean like the of  couple of quality and aging DLs and DBs they signed last year..lol@ offensive line being an 8-10..more like a 3-4

(01-02-2025, 07:16 AM)Go Cards Wrote: Definitely re-sign Tee at $17 million per year.  Yet would not go a penny over $20 million.

But Sportrak even saying this means that many on here overvalue Higgins by a long shot.

you sure that you want to keep investing teams money in a player that has chronic tendionapthy that gets progressively worse every year

Would I prefer we spend money on a proven asset that we know will work in our offense and keep us in the elite tiers of offense despite a poor running game and offensive line who is currently considered the best player on the entire free agent market, or would I prefer to instead use that money on ~2 mid tier defensive free agents like we did with Sheldon Rankins, or Geno Stone with a 1% chance of finding the next Trey Hendrickson?

Hmmm.

That's a tough one.

(12-30-2024, 03:15 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: If you all are referring to Elizabeth Blackburn she is the Director of Strategy & Engagement.  So I don't think she has a lot of say in such things at this time but I could be wrong.  Perhaps you are thinking of Katie Blackburn  the Executive Vice President?

No I meant Elizabeth.   Hard to know what the reality is, but she seems like the future and seems the most open to making long needed changes.

(01-02-2025, 01:48 PM)3wt Wrote: No I meant Elizabeth.   Hard to know what the reality is, but she seems like the future and seems the most open to making long needed changes.

She may be part of the future but I don't think her current position, which appears to be be mostly marketing based, also includes participating in decisions regarding GMs, coaches, scouting departments, free agency, and making other leadership staff or roster decisions.  Again I could be wrong but her current title doesn't suggest that.  As of now according to the current front office structure those decisions seem to be mostly up to Katie, Troy, Mike B and Duke Tobin.  Of course that doesn't eliminate the idea of Elizabeth making some suggestions to her parents.   However, I think there is a pretty large leap between managing fan engagement and managing a multi billion dollar pro football team.  I'm not trying to downplay her accomplishments as I think she has done a great job at her current position.  I just think it is going to be awhile before she takes on a more significant leadership role.

The reason I asked though is because I have seen that confused several times by others.  I think Elizabeth being more known recently due to marketing efforts might have lead to that confusion. But I'm sure as long as the family owns the team she, her sister and other family members will eventually move up in the leadership hierarchy.

(01-02-2025, 12:00 PM)CJD Wrote: Would I prefer we spend money on a proven asset that we know will work in our offense and keep us in the elite tiers of offense despite a poor running game and offensive line who is currently considered the best player on the entire free agent market, or would I prefer to instead use that money on ~2 mid tier defensive free agents like we did with Sheldon Rankins, or Geno Stone with a 1% chance of finding the next Trey Hendrickson?

Hmmm.

That's a tough one.

Couple problems there, We have been very good without Tee during in lineup and i rather not pay 2nd WR 27 m , also i rather keep Tre over Higgins, losing Tre would be worse than Tee

(01-02-2025, 02:18 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Couple problems there, We have been very good without Tee during in lineup and i rather not pay 2nd WR 27 m , also i rather keep Tre over Higgins, losing Tre would be worse than Tee

We were 1-4 without Tee and averaged  4 points less per game without Tee. 

(01-02-2025, 02:38 PM)J24 Wrote: We were 1-4 without Tee and averaged  4 points less per game without Tee. 

he has missed more than 5 games in his career...  5-5 coming into this season  and the red flag is he is missed 9 games last two years,  also Chase numbers are pretty good without Tee, so the idea that he will be shut down with double teams has not played out.    

Chase has 79 catches for 1,054 yards and has scored 11 touchdowns in 13 games without Tee Higgins in his career.