(02-06-2025, 01:19 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: No matter what the GMs on this Board proclaim..regardless of money shifting ..CAP space etc...there is absolutely no way..where this team stands now..that they will fill the many voids and deficiencies if they sign  Higgins to a 20-25 million dollar a year contract...and if this organization cannot find halfway decent wide receivers that can run routes and catch a football..then we deserve .500 seasons..we need 2 interior offensive linemen..2 DL and maybe a linebacker or 2 ..not an often injured Higgins that misses one 1/4th of the season every year...and there are an additional 4-5 games when he is pulled out early because said chronic hamstring is acting up..Everyone likes Tee..I get that..so do I...but be careful what you wish for

You sound like a GM yourself, so sure of everything you say is fact and talk sh!t to anyone with an opinion different than yours. 1st he's gonna get more than 25 a year. 2nd I don't trust this Front office to draft, I'd rather stick with an injured Tee Higgins than with a bust from the draft, WTS I don't think he's worth what he's gonna get being injured all the time. They should tag & trade, but if Joe wants him I'm good with it. How long you been a fan?

Why wouldn't he be? He'd get a boatload of cash.

The ideal that restructuring is some sort of sacrifice from Burrow will not die around here...

Sure Burrow they have the cap to keep everyone, at the expense of free agents that can help not need 6 starters out of the 6 draft picks.

When Burrow had the chance to "sacrifice" to keep everyone together. He held out for the deal that made him the highest paid player in the league.....

.@JoeyB on potentially restructuring his contract to keep the Bengals core together ???

"I know how important it to keep GREAT players together... I'm gonna do what it takes." @heykayadams @Bengals @Real10jayy__ @teehiggins5 | #RuleTheJungle pic.twitter.com/cYO5qxKoGI

— Up & Adams (@UpAndAdamsShow) February 6, 2025

(02-06-2025, 02:29 PM)PCB Bengal Fan Wrote: You sound like a GM yourself, so sure of everything you say is fact and talk sh!t to anyone with an opinion different than yours. 1st he's gonna get more than 25 a year. 2nd I don't trust this Front office to draft, I'd rather stick with an injured Tee Higgins than with a bust from the draft, WTS I don't think he's worth what he's gonna get being injured all the time. They should tag & trade, but if Joe wants him I'm good with it. How long you been a fan?

1) at no point did I "Talk sh!t" to anyone..I dont agree with your opinion as you dont agree with mine..I dont profess to be a GM..you dont play a player that misses 50% of offensive snaps 20 plus million a year..simple as that..I agree with Tag and Trade..Have a nice day

(02-06-2025, 12:14 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Great news. All teams with a franchise QB seem to do it. KC it appears will add 39 million to 2025 cap space by restructuring Mahomes.

This also puts pressure on FO as it eliminates the not enough money in 2025 to get things done.

except you are leaving out one imporrtant fact..very good teams like KC , Philly etc...do a great job drafting and player development..which we have not done..we need the bucks ,,and more some

(02-06-2025, 02:41 PM)pally Wrote:

.@JoeyB on potentially restructuring his contract to keep the Bengals core together ???

"I know how important it to keep GREAT players together... I'm gonna do what it takes." @heykayadams @Bengals @Real10jayy__ @teehiggins5 | #RuleTheJungle pic.twitter.com/cYO5qxKoGI

— Up & Adams (@UpAndAdamsShow) February 6, 2025

and these "great players together."..as it now stands give us a .500 franchise..and the one great player Higgins..plays only 50% of offensive snaps in the season because of chronic injuries

Assuming the Bengals restructure Joe and Sign Jamar to a similar contract as Justin Jefferson then the Bengals can save up to 35 million dollars in cap space.

(02-06-2025, 01:33 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Go look at their cap space past the 2025 season. They aren't paying anyone other than Burrow and Orlando Brown. 221 MILLION in cap space. That is ridiculous. 

You pay Trey, Tee, and Chase - you still have over 100 million in cap space. SPEND THE MONEY. 

That would be putting $120M toward 5 guys, and only have $100M to cover the other 48? That's an average of $2.08M/per player. Not sure that would fund a supporting roster.

(02-06-2025, 02:18 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: He's obviously not going to say no when he's asked because he'll look like a dick and not a team player, and that's not calling out Joe or implying that he's not a team player, but nobody is going to say no in that situation (unless they've been instructed by Drew Rosenhaus).

Again, that's not an attack on Joe and I know he'd do it, especially since it would just be restructuring and not losing money, because he wants to keep teammates and win a Super Bowl, but I'm not overly wowed by his willingness to do this.

Again, don't get me wrong because he's an unbelievable leader and he'd do this without being asked by the interviewer, but I just didn't like the interviewer asking it.

Goodness gracious..I think my new life's mission is to get people to actually understand what a contract restructure in this context means. Given the amount of people that talk about restructures, the percentage of folks that actually know what it means is minuscule. 

You at least know he wouldn't lose any money, but you realize there is no downside to the player to restructuring a deal like this? In fact, it's in their best interest to do so. The same amount of money now is worth more than that amount of money in the future. 

(02-06-2025, 02:37 PM)jj22 Wrote: Why wouldn't he be? He'd get a boatload of cash.

The ideal that restructuring is some sort of sacrifice from Burrow will not die around here...

Sure Burrow they have the cap to keep everyone, at the expense of free agents that can help not need 6 starters out of the 6 draft picks.

When Burrow had the chance to "sacrifice" to keep everyone together. He held out for the deal that made him the highest paid player in the league.....

To an extent, he's obviously concerned about money, but I think Burrow also just wants to win and go down in history as one of the greats with multiple Super Bowls.

I also think it was just politically correct, in football terms, to say that he wants to keep Tee because we don't need another receiver of that caliber when we already have Chase. 

That's not saying that Tee isn't good, but he's just injured a lot and there will be a lot of other cheaper, healthier options at receiver that we could grab, and there's always a few quality receivers that are surprise cuts and become available. 

Hell, I even feel like Iosivas could step into Tee's spot without much, if any, drop off and be better because he's healthier.

(02-06-2025, 02:45 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: except you are leaving out one imporrtant fact..very good teams like KC , Philly etc...do a great job drafting and player development..which we have not done..we need the bucks ,,and more some

Am I leaving anything out? Bengals have not drafted well. Teams who draft poorly end up spending more money in FA to get a competitive roster. If you believe Bengals will never draft well, then whether we sign Tee, up the ante to Chase and Trey becomes irrelevant.

I am hoping our new coaches are better with player development.

I am hoping our FO cuts more vets this spring to add additional cap dollars to sign free agents at guard and DL.

As for Tee, I have been on the fence and go back and forth. I think it comes down to his asking price. If he asks for 84 million a year for 4 years ad agrees only 50 million is guaranteed, I like it.

We have no hope of winning in your scenario. I understand you being a skeptic, but if the FO and coaching staffs do not address and fix past decencies, as fans we are doomed to be disappointed. 

I am an optimist and hope the Bengals start doing a lot better drafting.

My way (hopes) does not guarantee success, but your ways will guarantee failure.

(02-06-2025, 02:29 PM)PCB Bengal Fan Wrote: You sound like a GM yourself, so sure of everything you say is fact and talk sh!t to anyone with an opinion different than yours. 1st he's gonna get more than 25 a year. 2nd I don't trust this Front office to draft, I'd rather stick with an injured Tee Higgins than with a bust from the draft, WTS I don't think he's worth what he's gonna get being injured all the time. They should tag & trade, but if Joe wants him I'm good with it. How long you been a fan?

You know what PCB? I agree with you completely here man. At least we know what we have in Tee and he is a damn good WR when he 
does play and if Joe wants him we should all be on board. He is just following up with what he said about restructuring in the first place 
even if in the end the FO has to be the ones keeping Joe and these players happy.

This FO drafted John Ross and now Jermaine Burton who also seems to be a terrible pick. Would I rather we tag and trade Tee so we can
fix the trenches, the Defense and add another WR for cheaper? Of course, but this is not my call. Keep Burrow happy.

(02-06-2025, 12:17 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Joe Burrow says he’d "of course" restructure his contract to keep the Bengals' core together, and he has faith in the Bengals' ownership ?

"I do. We have the cap space to get it done. Trey, Tee, Ja'Marr, and Mike G – we all want to play together." pic.twitter.com/F4YFMSo5pA

— Breakfast Ball (@BrkfstBallOnFS1) February 6, 2025

I like that Joe mentions Mike G as part of the core. Gesicki had a good first year with Burrow but he could have a great year with him now 
that he has some great chemistry. He is pretty much another big WR to go along with Tee and at times it was pretty unstoppable last year
when we had all 3 of Ja'Marr, Tee and Mike. Need to add a real TE in the Draft while fixing the Guard spots in FA and a pick and this Offense
could be bad azz this season especially with a running game. Scott Peters I think was a nice add at OL coach. We will see.

(02-06-2025, 02:55 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That would be putting $120M toward 5 guys, and only have $100M to cover the other 48? That's an average of $2.08M/per player. Not sure that would fund a supporting roster.

If they structure their contracts properly then it shouldn't be a problem. The FO can do a better job at manipulating the cap.

(02-06-2025, 02:55 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That would be putting $120M toward 5 guys, and only have $100M to cover the other 48? That's an average of $2.08M/per player. Not sure that would fund a supporting roster.

221 million in cap SPACE. The total cap is projected to be around 300 million (excluding any rollover). 

They'd have around 90 million to cover other spots that currently don't have a starter listed here: 
2026 Cincinnati Bengals Cap Table

Cap is projected to rise by about 20 million each year. You lock these guys in now and it'll be an afterthought in 3 years. Thats why they should have just done it with Higgins, Chase, etc. as soon as possible, but they are idiots. Lock up your stars ASAP. 

I’d be more impressed if Joe was going to reduce his contract with that money going to pay Chase and Tee etc. Hopefully the FO can get creative enough to work the figures around to fit them all in but then again that could’ve been done last year. And the one before that.

Joes making the right noises though and that counts for something.

Maybe he should call them all a bunch of lousy bums to drive their prices down 

(02-06-2025, 01:06 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Very good to hear. This to me is leading up to a pivotal moment in the Burrow era. If front office does their best to get it done, then much smoother waters going forward. If they don't and value their 'model-model' so to speak instead, it will get ugly.

Yes very much so

We'll see if the F.O./Brown family is going to do the right thing or not. There's no way they can put the usual band-aid on this. To many issues, not enough time. It's time to put up or shut up.

Fingers crossed

(02-06-2025, 02:41 PM)pally Wrote:

.@JoeyB on potentially restructuring his contract to keep the Bengals core together ???

"I know how important it to keep GREAT players together... I'm gonna do what it takes." @heykayadams @Bengals @Real10jayy__ @teehiggins5 | #RuleTheJungle pic.twitter.com/cYO5qxKoGI

— Up & Adams (@UpAndAdamsShow) February 6, 2025

"Is part of that commitment to doing whatever it takes include not making $55m/yr?"
*Crickets*

All nice to say after he had an opportunity to take less and instead made sure he got an NFL record high contract. I don't blame him for getting paid as much as he can from the billionaires, but if you get as much as you can, it makes your attempt to say you're willing to do whatever it takes to keep folks together ring empty.