(03-07-2025, 01:30 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yeah! Bengals O was the 29th scoring offense in 2020. We should have traded Burrow along with his fellow garbage part of the team WR Tee Higgins.

Just like the Browns will be a whole lot better once they get rid of 4x 1st Team All-Pro/1x DPoY/future 1st Ballot HoFer Myles Garrett. After all, they had a garbage D with him.... no clue why those foolish Raiders extended Maxx Crosby, they had a garbage defense with him last year, they should have offloaded him instead.




.....It's almost like a single player or two can't completely erase a lack of talent on the rest of the team surrounding them, they can only do their own job the best they can and that side of the team won't get better by getting rid of THE best player on it.

I gotta ask you the same question I ask all the fist shakers: What would you do? 

(03-07-2025, 01:30 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yeah! Bengals O was the 29th scoring offense in 2020. We should have traded Burrow along with his fellow garbage part of the team WR Tee Higgins.

Just like the Browns will be a whole lot better once they get rid of 4x 1st Team All-Pro/1x DPoY/future 1st Ballot HoFer Myles Garrett. After all, they had a garbage D with him.... no clue why those foolish Raiders extended Maxx Crosby, they had a garbage defense with him last year, they should have offloaded him instead.




.....It's almost like a single player or two can't completely erase a lack of talent on the rest of the team surrounding them, they can only do their own job the best they can and that side of the team won't get better by getting rid of THE best player on it.

Sure the year Burrow and Tee were young rookies and Finley and Brandon Allen got starts for us at QB. Yea… not quite the apples to apples comparison. You would have a solid point if age didn’t matter in the NFL and we weren’t talking about the current oldest guy under contract on our defense.

I just see Trey looking at that Maxx Crosby contract and thinking why not him. And there just ain’t no way we should do that.

(03-07-2025, 02:24 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I gotta ask you the same question I ask all the fist shakers: What would you do? 

Same thing I have been saying they should do. Trade Tee, extend Hendrickson. We already have a 1st Team All-Pro WR1, so replacing our WR2 is a whole lot easier than it is to replace a sack title DE.

The highest sack total any rookie had last year was 8.5, and he was one of only 2 guys to surpass 5.0 sacks.

The last 3 drafts combined, there have only been 6 players that had a combined 7 seasons by a DE where they reached 10.0 sacks, all of them 1st round picks and 4 of those 6 players were top-5 picks...

2024:
None

2023:
Will Anderson x1 (3rd overall pick)
Will McDonald x1 (15th overall pick)

2022:
Aidan Hutchenson x1 (2nd overall pick)
George Karlaftis x1 (30th overall pick)
Travon Walker x2 (1st overall pick)
Kayveon Thibodeaux x1 (5th overall pick)

The high out of all of them was 11.5 sacks.

(03-07-2025, 03:15 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Sure the year Burrow and Tee were young rookies and Finley and Brandon Allen got starts for us at QB. Yea… not quite the apples to apples comparison. You would have a solid point if age didn’t matter in the NFL and we weren’t talking about the current oldest guy under contract on our defense.

Look, I get it that it's nearly impossible to keep three players that are the caliber that they are without at least one of them being on his rookie deal. Ts, the age argument can and has been proven wrong. Whit being the first layer that comes to my mind. Someone called him an outlier and that's possible, but Trey is probably going to reach double digit sacks for the next 3 seasons barring injury. 

So, if Whit is an outlier as far as production and age, I think it's safe to say that Trey will be an outlier as well. Hate to lose a guy like that, but if some REAL value can be obtained in his departure it should help lesson some of the PR ability lost. 

cbs Jonathan Jones says a high 3rd round pick for Trey?

That would be tough to see.

No way the bengals agree to that.

I think he plays or sits out this year as no way the bengals agree to that if that’s his value.

I agree that I’d rather trade Tee and resign Hendrickson.

The big issue here is other teams probably know we can’t keep all three.

Bengals should sign players above market value early to avoid these issues. Instead they are hit with three huge contracts at once.

(03-07-2025, 03:45 AM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: cbs Jonathan Jones says a high 3rd round pick for Trey?

That would be tough to see.

No way the bengals agree to that.

I think he plays or sits out this year as no way the bengals agree to that if that’s his value.

I agree that I’d rather trade Tee and resign Hendrickson.

The big issue here is other teams probably know we can’t keep all three.

Bengals should sign players above market value early to avoid these issues. Instead they are hit with three huge contracts at once.

Jonathan Jones is smoking some good stuff if he thinks Trey's value is that low.

Would you flip Trey for 30 year old deforest Buckner? Cap hits next 2 years of $26,600,000 each year. May be more in line with where the bengals would be and reports are colts interested in Trey.

(03-07-2025, 04:00 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: Would you flip Trey for 30 year old deforest Buckner?  Cap hits next 2 years of $26,600,000 each year.  May be more in line with where the bengals would be and reports are colts interested in Trey.

If we do a trade for a player I'd rather it be a younger player like Zac Tom OT Packers, Kerby Joseph FS lions , or Greg Rousseau Bills.  All those guys would need a contract extension but they all would fit the criteria of being building blocks for the future.

(03-07-2025, 03:46 AM)pulses Wrote: Jonathan Jones is smoking some good stuff if he thinks Trey's value is that low.

Jake Liscow says best case scenario is a 2nd round pick.

Definitely sucks because even a 1st would be a huge downgrade from Trey.

Sucks they can’t resign their top 3 players. Other teams manage to.

The bengals put it off too long and got caught.

I said a couple years ago how important the upcoming drafts were and how successful drafts springboarded the Chiefs to Super Bowl wins. It did the same thing for the Eagles. Bengals failed.

I knew players could go free agent.  I never knew players make their own trades to other teams. I thought team owners and GM's agree on trades.  I've never heard of a player doing his own trade before.  I have the feeling Bengals and another team would still have to agree on a trade and go through all the legal lawyer paperwork.  It seems to me with Tobin wanting both Higgins and Chase long term as 2 of the highest paid WR;s in NFL, that the trade of Hendrickson if done would be for a Draft Pick or Draft Picks.  With Hubbard retiring and talk of trading Hendrickson, new D Coach Golden will have The Worst defense in NFL to rebuild, no easy task. They may have to give him every draft pick because The D is so awful. 

(03-07-2025, 03:27 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Same thing I have been saying they should do. Trade Tee, extend Hendrickson. We already have a 1st Team All-Pro WR1, so replacing our WR2 is a whole lot easier than it is to replace a sack title DE.

The highest sack total any rookie had last year was 8.5, and he was one of only 2 guys to surpass 5.0 sacks.

The last 3 drafts combined, there have only been 6 players that had a combined 7 seasons by a DE where they reached 10.0 sacks, all of them 1st round picks and 4 of those 6 players were top-5 picks...

2024:
None

2023:
Will Anderson x1 (3rd overall pick)
Will McDonald x1 (15th overall pick)

2022:
Aidan Hutchenson x1 (2nd overall pick)
George Karlaftis x1 (30th overall pick)
Travon Walker x2 (1st overall pick)
Kayveon Thibodeaux x1 (5th overall pick)

The high out of all of them was 11.5 sacks.

2022 was an outlier too. Most years look like 2023 and 2024.

2021 I think it was only Parsons
2020 Zero? Chase Young draft.
2019 Nick Bosa maybe Biran Burns?

Edit: Bosa only had 9 his rookie year so that's Zero for 2019 too.

(03-06-2025, 10:49 PM)swilson3828 Wrote: Not sure why people don't see the play here.  They're letting him explore his options so they can gauge the amount of interest and what other teams think he is worth. That info will be used to try and extend him.  TH will be back in a Bengal uniform next season unless it's a can't turn down type of offer.

There will likely be several teams willing to give Hendrickson the deal that he's looking for, the question is will they be willing to give up the loot to Trey and satisfy what the Bengals will be looking for in exchange?

(03-06-2025, 05:43 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Narrator: It was at that point, Mike Brown said, "hold my beer". 

Now that is funny!!!!!!

I still think it's a bad move to dump Trey if you are in win now mode, but if they deal him then I hope it's part of a package to move up in round 1.

(03-07-2025, 09:18 AM)TecmoBengals Wrote: I still think it's a bad move to dump Trey if you are in win now mode, but if they deal him then I hope it's part of a package to move up in round 1.

With the holes this team has…. I’d like to bring back an average or above veteran hole filler plus whatever draft capital is needed to make the trade “even”. Putting my eggs in a trade up, when the bengals don’t draft well, isn’t it for me. But, to each their own.

(03-07-2025, 05:43 AM)kevin Wrote: I knew players could go free agent.  I never knew players make their own trades to other teams. I thought team owners and GM's agree on trades.  I've never heard of a player doing his own trade before.  I have the feeling Bengals and another team would still have to agree on a trade and go through all the legal lawyer paperwork.  It seems to me with Tobin wanting both Higgins and Chase long term as 2 of the highest paid WR;s in NFL, that the trade of Hendrickson if done would be for a Draft Pick or Draft Picks.  With Hubbard retiring and talk of trading Hendrickson, new D Coach Golden will have The Worst defense in NFL to rebuild, no easy task. They may have to give him every draft pick because The D is so awful. 

This d was already one of the worst with or without Trey. Losing trey is big, Sam was a non contributor.

Depending on how he feels about the defensive picks the bengals have made the last 3-4 years, he may feel like he is walking into a better situation than it would otherwise appear.

If Hendrickson finds a team willing to pay him the salary and guarantees he wants and make a trade with the Bengals, then I see two likely scenarios for the Bengals: either they will give Trey that salary and guarantees or they will trade him for less than his value rather than have a disgruntled member of the team all season.

If Trey gets a huge offer and guarantees and doesn't have to worry about injury hurting his market value -- he's set up for the rest of his career -- he would be really pissed to have the Bengals tell him to just play the year on his current one-year remaining and risk injury and losing it all. He probably would tell them he's sitting out the season. Given that, the Bengals would probably take less than his value in a trade.

(03-07-2025, 09:26 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: With the holes this team has…. I’d like to bring back an average or above veteran hole filler plus whatever draft capital is needed to make the trade “even”.  Putting my eggs in a trade up, when the bengals don’t draft well, isn’t it for me.   But, to each their own.

I don't trust them to do well with any pick, but if Duke can closer to the top prospects then hopefully it decreases his chances of messing it up. He nailed the Burrow and Chase picks. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/market-value/_/id/21845/trey-hendrickson

Spotrac puts his value at 2 years/59 million. I would pay him that. But I doubt he is asking that.

I would hate not to have Hendrickson on the roster, but that said, at his age, you know that the motor he plays with is going to slow down. I'd be fine giving him a 2 or 3-year deal with heavy incentives on year 3, but someone is going to overpay for him. I hope he stays, but believe he will leave.