(01-11-2016, 06:56 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Okay, I think you're trying to say if Porter hadn't been on the field, Jones wouldn't have touched the official. I agree. and I have said before that Porter should have been flagged. So could any number of things going on in that instance.

I never said the refs weren't biased, I don't have enough information to draw that conclusion. What I said was that the call there was not biased. There was a lot of leniency for both sides in that instance, until Jones touched an official. I don't call that bias, I call that having to draw a line somewhere.

You don't have enough evidence to make the conclusion that the refs were biased, yet you say that directly after you say that Porter being on the field illegally caused Jones to touch the ref.

Name some of the things that could have been going on because, no matter what, the only thing I can see is that Porter was on the field illegally.

Do Steelers fans even read what they type anymore?!

(01-11-2016, 07:17 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Perhaps.
But also why were six Bengals allowed to be around an injured Steelers player? When Bernard was hurt Mike Mitchell was the only player nearby.
Given the nature of the game, shouldn't the ref's gotten the Bengal defenders out of there? Or maybe some of the Bengals coaches? 

I'm guessing you're joking with that one? Another team's coaches have even less to do on the field when an opponent is injured than a position coach from a different position.

As to why, my guess is because the Bengals cared about his well being. I didn't see any of them trying to pee on him or anything.

(01-11-2016, 06:59 PM)mroudfly Wrote: I don't even care that he was on the field. What kind of piece of shit coach is in the middle of 5 opposing players (while he coaches the other side of the ball) talking shit. Porter didn't even care about his own players - he was solely out there to talk shit. Because he is just that. A piece of shit. Do you want to argue that he was out there talking to the Bengals saying "Oh hey how is your family and everyone?"

For all the shit that bengals are taking right now, what kind of organization hires him? I mean for god sake, the guy was pulled over for a DUI and assaulted a police officer. Hmmm, yeah hire that guy. A rational human being with any thought process knows what the hell happened...To argue otherwise just shows how stupid you are.

It was six.
And why were they allowed to be near the injured Brown? 

As far as being in the middle of them, watch the broadcast. The Steelers contingent (including Porter) were attending to Brown. As they were walking Brown away Porter is blocked by Burfict who gives Brown a prolonged pack on the back as he's being escorted causing Burfict to come between Brown and the trainer. As the trainer continues walking, Burfict pulls his arm back and appears to make contact with the trainer causing words to be exchanged between the two. All of this is blocking Porter from going forward. It is at this point where Porter speaks up and has words with Burfict as he is walking backwards toward the sideline. It is at this point that the 7th Bengal #95 Dingleberry runs in and bumps Porter in the back knocking him back into the circle of now 7 Bengals. It is at this point, Porter in the middle of 7 Bengals talking, that everyone is focusing on and the pictures that you see of the incident This is also when the refs notice the commotion and start to separate everyone. Finally the 8th Bengal, Jones flies in, makes contact with the official (the penalty) and throws a punch at Porter. 

Now, Im not sure if Porter was talking shit to the Bengal players before the incident (while surrounding downed Brown) but going by what was seen on the broadcast, the shit talking only started when Burfict patted Brown on the back and made contact with the trainers.

Here's the broadcast. You can see for yourself starting at the 2:42:00 mark..

(01-11-2016, 07:20 PM)Benton Wrote: I'm guessing you're joking with that one? Another team's coaches have even less to do on the field when an opponent is injured than a position coach from a different position.

As to why, my guess is because the Bengals cared about his well being. I didn't see any of them trying to pee on him or anything.

Not joking. Talking about Bengal coaches removing the Bengal players from the area of the injured Steelers player. 
Do they have to? No. But given the volatility of the situation, maybe (definitely in hindsight) they should have. 

(01-11-2016, 07:19 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: You don't have enough evidence to make the conclusion that the refs were biased, yet you say that directly after you say that Porter being on the field illegally caused Jones to touch the ref.

I don't follow your logic here.

(01-11-2016, 07:19 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Name some of the things that could have been going on because, no matter what, the only thing I can see is that Porter was on the field illegally.

Do Steelers fans even read what they type anymore?!

I said things that were going on. Gilberry could have been called for his helmet being off or bumping Porter, yet he wasn't. Already pointed that out. The officials let things get out of hand with their leniency, but when Jones touched an official that was it. The rule about that leaves no room for ambiguity and discretion like the others. He wasn't pushed into the official or anything, he made that decision. No one is to blame there but himself, and it's not biased.

(01-11-2016, 07:42 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Not joking. Talking about Bengal coaches removing the Bengal players from the area of the injured Steelers player. 
Do they have to? No. But given the volatility of the situation, maybe (definitely in hindsight) they should have. 

That would just throw fuel on the fire if a few Bengals coaches start out onto the field, with players already standing around a downed player. If anyone from the opposing sideline comes onto the field, it's going to be taken as an act of aggression.

You have to let the refs handle the situation. And that's why they're deservedly catching flack. The refs were letting some things happen and penalizing other things.

(01-11-2016, 08:15 PM)Benton Wrote: That would just throw fuel on the fire if a few Bengals coaches start out onto the field, with players already standing around a downed player. If anyone from the opposing sideline comes onto the field, it's going to be taken as an act of aggression.

You have to let the refs handle the situation. And that's why they're deservedly catching flack. The refs were letting some things happen and penalizing other things.

Eh, I disagree.

Knowing that Burfict was already fired up if I'm the coach I'm keeping him right next to me during the timeout.  No reason you couldn't have the entire defense around.  The Steelers were still going to run a play to get try and get closer before the FG so why not get the D together?

Not that Lewis *had* to though.  This is the fish complaining about the worm the fisherman used.  If Porter went out to stir up the two dumbest players the Bengals have he succeeded.  If he didn't go out to do that they still over-reacted.

The end point, no matter how it gets spun, is Burfict hit a defenseless receiver in the head and Jones bumped an official.  All the rest is so much mental masturbation.

(01-11-2016, 07:40 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: It was six.
And why were they allowed to be near the injured Brown? 

As far as being in the middle of them, watch the broadcast. The Steelers contingent (including Porter) were attending to Brown. As they were walking Brown away Porter is blocked by Burfict who gives Brown a prolonged pack on the back as he's being escorted causing Burfict to come between Brown and the trainer. As the trainer continues walking, Burfict pulls his arm back and appears to make contact with the trainer causing words to be exchanged between the two. All of this is blocking Porter from going forward. It is at this point where Porter speaks up and has words with Burfict as he is walking backwards toward the sideline. It is at this point that the 7th Bengal #95 Dingleberry runs in and bumps Porter in the back knocking him back into the circle of now 7 Bengals. It is at this point, Porter in the middle of 7 Bengals talking, that everyone is focusing on and the pictures that you see of the incident This is also when the refs notice the commotion and start to separate everyone. Finally the 8th Bengal, Jones flies in, makes contact with the official (the penalty) and throws a punch at Porter. 

Now, Im not sure if Porter was talking shit to the Bengal players before the incident (while surrounding downed Brown) but going by what was seen on the broadcast, the shit talking only started when Burfict patted Brown on the back and made contact with the trainers.

Here's the broadcast. You can see for yourself starting at the 2:42:00 mark..

After watching the video, I don't understand how that old trainer gets so worked up (he starts it, not Burfict) when Burfict looks like he is just trying to pat AB on the back. Also, Porter should've kept walking, but he CHOSE to stay there and work up something with the Bengals for a while. He's not blocked. Gilberry bumps into him because he CHOSE to stay back and talk shit.

Just the fact that you are trying to defend Joey Porter so hard, the scum of the earth, shows your character. I'm not defending Pacman or Tez, they are idiots. But the fact that you are trying to defend Joey Porter is absolutely comical.

In the video above, it is starting at point 2:44:54 that everyone is focusing on. This is the video that apparently shows Porter jawing in the middle of a pack of Bengals. If you start watching at the 2:42:00 you get the WHOLE story.

(01-11-2016, 08:23 PM)mroudfly Wrote: After watching the video, I don't understand how that old trainer gets so worked up (he starts it, not Burfict) when Burfict looks like he is just trying to pat AB on the back. Also, Porter should've kept walking, but he CHOSE to stay there and work up something with the Bengals for a while. He's not blocked. Gilberry bumps into him because he CHOSE to stay back and talk shit.

Just the fact that you are trying to defend Joey Porter so hard, the scum of the earth, shows your character. I'm not defending Pacman or Tez, they are idiots. But the fact that you are trying to defend Joey Porter is absolutely comical.

You can choose to see what you want, but it's pretty obvious that Porter is walking away, albeit backwards, when 95 knocks him back into the circle of Bengals.

(01-11-2016, 08:22 PM)GMDino Wrote: Eh, I disagree.

Knowing that Burfict was already fired up if I'm the coach I'm keeping him right next to me during the timeout.  No reason you couldn't have the entire defense around.  The Steelers were still going to run a play to get try and get closer before the FG so why not get the D together?

Not that Lewis *had* to though.  This is the fish complaining about the worm the fisherman used.  If Porter went out to stir up the two dumbest players the Bengals have he succeeded.  If he didn't go out to do that they still over-reacted.

The end point, no matter how it gets spun, is Burfict hit a defenseless receiver in the head and Jones bumped an official.  All the rest is so much mental masturbation.

I can agree with this. I think the frustration with a lot of the fans is around Porter being on the field (automatic 15 yard penalty if he didn't have permission). Even if he did, if he was chirping, there should have been offsetting penalties. Given his background, it's almost a certainty he was provoking something to happen (which once again, would be a 15 yard penalty). It would've been a more entertaining end to the game to see what Pitt does with 18 seconds left and no timeouts at midfield then the ref SUBJECTIVELY giving an additional 15 yards to automatically give Pitt the game.

I think that's why there are so many (I've read 4 today) neutral articles from massive media outlets asking about what happened and how the Refs can make such an opinionated call to decide the game. There was no objectivity in it. Pittsburgh did not win, the refs chose subjectively, which is why I can understand the frustration of everyone. Could Pitt have won if they didn't make that call? Asbolutely. But its an absolute shame that we will never know.

(01-11-2016, 08:22 PM)GMDino Wrote: Eh, I disagree.

Knowing that Burfict was already fired up if I'm the coach I'm keeping him right next to me during the timeout.  No reason you couldn't have the entire defense around.  The Steelers were still going to run a play to get try and get closer before the FG so why not get the D together?

Not that Lewis *had* to though.  This is the fish complaining about the worm the fisherman used.  If Porter went out to stir up the two dumbest players the Bengals have he succeeded.  

To the first part, I'm only talking in relation to "clearing" players from around a downed player. They can all hang out on the sideline and drink Gatorade or whatever, but no coach should be on the field.

To the bolded... agreed. And I think that was the plan. Go out, stir up some crap. I'm surprised it was Porter though. I kept expecting to see Munchak run over to Cincinnati's bench, slap a player and then act really, really surprised that the other guy's face collided with his hand.

(01-11-2016, 08:34 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: You can choose to see what you want, but it's pretty obvious that Porter is walking away, albeit backwards, when 95 knocks him back into the circle of Bengals.

Yes, I watched the video over and over from both the 2:42 mark and the 2:44 mark. And no its not pretty obvious that he is walking away, because he turns and faces the Bengals (stops walking), and is saying something. He was not trying to leave, he was trying to chirp. You can literally see him talking to them. If he was trying to leave, he would have turned and walked away, leaving the Bengals players behind.

(01-11-2016, 08:34 PM)mroudfly Wrote:  
I think that's why there are so many (I've read 4 today) neutral articles from massive media outlets asking about what happened and how the Refs can make such an opinionated call to decide the game. There was no objectivity in it. Pittsburgh did not win, the refs chose subjectively, which is why I can understand the frustration of everyone. Could Pitt have won if they didn't make that call? Asbolutely. But its an absolute shame that we will never know.

I think that's why Bengals fans are frustrated about it. There wasn't any consideration given, no attempt to find out what happened. The refs took the fastest way possible out of the game instead of trying to figure out what happened and how to correct it.

(01-11-2016, 08:39 PM)Benton Wrote: To the first part, I'm only talking in relation to "clearing" players from around a downed player. They can all hang out on the sideline and drink Gatorade or whatever, but no coach should be on the field.

To the bolded... agreed. And I think that was the plan. Go out, stir up some crap. I'm surprised it was Porter though. I kept expecting to see Munchak run over to Cincinnati's bench, slap a player and then act really, really surprised that the other guy's face collided with his hand.

Then you surely disagree with this, right? 

(01-11-2016, 08:22 PM)GMDino Wrote: Eh, I disagree.

Knowing that Burfict was already fired up if I'm the coach I'm keeping him right next to me during the timeout.  No reason you couldn't have the entire defense around.  The Steelers were still going to run a play to get try and get closer before the FG so why not get the D together?

Not that Lewis *had* to though.  This is the fish complaining about the worm the fisherman used.  If Porter went out to stir up the two dumbest players the Bengals have he succeeded.  If he didn't go out to do that they still over-reacted.

The end point, no matter how it gets spun, is Burfict hit a defenseless receiver in the head and Jones bumped an official.  All the rest is so much mental masturbation.

Bingo

(01-11-2016, 08:44 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Then you surely disagree with this, right? 

Yes. The coaches shouldn't be out there.

Although I'm wondering why all the green circles are (mostly) within a yard of the sideline, but more than 5 Steeler coaches are at midfield or on the Bengals' side of the field. Maybe if the Steelers coaches were anywhere near their own sideline, the Bengals coaches wouldn't have felt the need to step away from theirs?

(01-11-2016, 08:44 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Then you surely disagree with this, right? 

I agree that both coaches from both teams NEEDED to be on the field, and were. There was an all out tussle, so one would expect coaches from both sides to interfere with their own players to break up the fight. So I guess I'm missing your point? If there was an all out brawl after the AB hit, I would have expected Porter and Co. to all be out there, but there was no fight. Just the hit and the training staff + Porter.

(01-11-2016, 11:59 AM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: The ball would have been on the 47 with 1-10 and 18 seconds to gain roughly 10 yard to put Boswell well within his range.

Pretty tough sledding with a concussed star wideout and an "injured" QB.  Still.......it should've been offsetting.

(01-11-2016, 12:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: Please Brad...look at what I said happened and at the very image you posted.

Then look and see if Porter even says anything before Jones goes all "girl threw a drink at me so I gotta teach her a lesson".

.....but just prior to Brad 's post....according to you.....Porter wasn't near a Bengals player until the chest bump.  Clearly , Porter is there and THEN comes Wallace.....who is most certainly not known for starting shit.  I guess Porter was around that group of guys wishing them luck on their Power Ball numbers......