As I said before, I don't like the way this was handled, and I blame his agent mostly. That said, it's over now, so I'm hoping the guy becomes the game wrecker for the Bengals that they think he will be. (And the little bit of Trey's cards just got worse)

(Yesterday, 09:58 PM)Sled21 Wrote: As I said before, I don't like the way this was handled, and I blame his agent mostly. That said, it's over now, so I'm hoping the guy becomes the game wrecker for the Bengals that they think he will be. (And the little bit of Trey's cards just got worse)

I think this hurts Trey too.

(Yesterday, 09:16 PM)TKUHL Wrote: We are not the only team using this language. Other teams are using it this year. I don’t blame the owner of the team for that. It’s kinda petty that it came down to 500k upfront and the language stayed. What the hell have they been doing this whole time.

Yes, and those other teams were having improved bonus payouts compared to what the Bengals normally do.

The point was that if you want to make a player accept a negative change in their contract compared to what the previous guy (Mims) got, you need to give something in return. The Bengals were wanting concessions without giving up ANYTHING in return. Simply accepting one-sided demands isn't a negotiation, and is a terrible precedent to set.

I highly doubt that $500k was all they originally wanted, but again, it's called compromise.

(Yesterday, 09:58 PM)Sled21 Wrote: (And the little bit of Trey's cards just got worse)

(Yesterday, 10:01 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I think this hurts Trey too.

Seemingly half the board just spent the last few weeks talking about how Stewart was probably already a criminal just hoping nobody found out and he'd lose his money for what he already did, how he was a cancer and they hoped he never played for us, how he was already a bust, and how "maybe he can go back to college another year and get a 5th sack".....

Now it suddenly hurts Trey? 

Nobody on this team is replacing 17.5 sacks. I don't see Stewart really making any difference in the Trey-sized hole in our defense.

That’s done. I suppose both sides can claim the other blinked. Don’t really care. Time for the young man to show up and show out. After all the drama, I’ll keep my expectations low.

After all of this drama, the pressure on him to perform will be that much more. He'd better be in shape.

Now I'm hoping Nate is right about Stewart like he was about Mims. If he is, then Stewart could make a big difference.

I suspect Stewart told his agent to get it done. It wasn't a big compromise for the Bengals to shift some of the money forward from December to now, but I suspect everybody is now happy and can focus on integrating Stewart into the defense.

Stewart missed the earlier practices and now a full week since rookies reported last Saturday. I'm glad he didn't miss any more time.

(Yesterday, 10:20 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yes, and those other teams were having improved bonus payouts compared to what the Bengals normally do.

The point was that if you want to make a player accept a negative change in their contract compared to what the previous guy (Mims) got, you need to give something in return. The Bengals were wanting concessions without giving up ANYTHING in return. Simply accepting one-sided demands isn't a negotiation, and is a terrible precedent to set.

I highly doubt that $500k was all they originally wanted, but again, it's called compromise.

Stewart got his bonus based on projections months ago. The number is a higher per cent than what the Bengals had been doing but I don’t think they could deviate. Sportico had it at 10.4 million. He just got some earlier

Per yahoo news the clause was "softened." Perfectly reasonable to have it in line with league norms. I'd be curious as to how much it was "softened." It sounds like Mr. Hiller did right by his client and helped players in general. I could've done without some of his and Stewart's comments, but I very much agree with only signing a contract that is in line with league norms for the 17th pick. Ownership gets to look like a pack of ineffectual skeezy weirdos for having tried to push for a more harsh clause only for their player to miss practice because of it. So I don't believe Brown and company when they say that it was all on the agent. Nor do I agree with the pissy, unprofessional tone that came out of the Stewart camp. 

Good news he has 2 days to get in town and be ready for practice on Monday. I will think he goes through a full physical tomorrow and maybe works on the practice field after he signs the deal. At least that is what I would do if team to get some of the lost time back.

(Yesterday, 11:26 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Stewart got his bonus based on projections months ago. The number is a higher per cent than what the Bengals had been doing but I don’t think they could deviate. Sportico had it at 10.4 million. He just got some earlier

Yes, that's the "improved bonus payout" I was talking about. Not the actual number, but how it's paid out. Apparently the Bengals are slower to pay out their signing bonuses than others. (It lets the Bengals make more money on the money in the meantime rather than the player.)

(Yesterday, 11:27 PM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: Per yahoo news the clause was "softened." Perfectly reasonable to have it in line with league norms. I'd be curious as to how much it was "softened."

Got a link for that?

(Today, 12:17 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Got a link for that?

Per Kari Anderson:  

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/article/bengals-rookie-shemar-stewart-reportedly-agrees-to-fully-guaranteed-contract-ending-standoff-223151580.html

Yahoo news can be pretty sloppy so I wouldn't take it as gospel from the mount just yet. It is believable (to me at least). 

(Yesterday, 07:51 PM)Bronxbengal Wrote: He has a high bar to overcome for me.  He is a bust until proven otherwise

Meh, he got bad advice, we all have. I really think this was agent/FO mishandling.

Is this where I am supposed to be excited? Ok, I just high fived myself. I think I will call it a night...

A lot of people are complaining about the sack production but it looks like he play 'contained' (might have this wrong) on most passing plays while other dline stunted. Definitely was a playmaker in the run game though. Really excited to see what he and Myles Murphy can do playing next to each other.

(Yesterday, 09:58 PM)Sled21 Wrote: As I said before, I don't like the way this was handled, and I blame his agent mostly. That said, it's over now, so I'm hoping the guy becomes the game wrecker for the Bengals that they think he will be. (And the little bit of Trey's cards just got worse)

His agent was a tool, no doubt. The front office were tools too. Asking for new language with no concessions was a recipe for shenanigans. It was surprising that 500k swayed it. At this point dude just needs to show up and show out. With Trey sitting in Florida the pass rush is thinner than a coked out fashion model. DE looking weak, gotta have a pass rush.

(Yesterday, 11:27 PM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: Per yahoo news the clause was "softened." Perfectly reasonable to have it in line with league norms. I'd be curious as to how much it was "softened." It sounds like Mr. Hiller did right by his client and helped players in general. I could've done without some of his and Stewart's comments, but I very much agree with only signing a contract that is in line with league norms for the 17th pick. Ownership gets to look like a pack of ineffectual skeezy weirdos for having tried to push for a more harsh clause only for their player to miss practice because of it. So I don't believe Brown and company when they say that it was all on the agent. Nor do I agree with the pissy, unprofessional tone that came out of the Stewart camp. 

I see the owners standpoint , times have totally changed, what some of these players are getting into was not really in the realm of thought couple to a few decades ago plus now with all that guaranteed money, from a business standpoint need to protect your interest more and more 

(Yesterday, 08:07 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Obviously the language in there was very important to the Bengals and they will use it going forward.

Right. So instead of sauabbling for months over 550k, they should have just given it to him earlier, gotten their language in, snd more importantly, had him in for as much preseason stuff as possible. This dude ain't exactly ready to start day 1, he needs work. 

(Today, 02:08 AM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Right. So instead of sauabbling for months over 550k, they should have just given it to him earlier, gotten their language in, snd more importantly, had him in for as much preseason stuff as possible. This dude ain't exactly ready to start day 1, he needs work. 

Which feeds back into the whole, “ They are more interested in winning arguments than winning games….” narrative.