Maybe someone should tweet to Hill that he should eat the buttered popcorn AFTER a football game.

I had trouble telling if Hill made the 2nd post or if he's responding to the 2nd post. Everything says "@JeremyHill".

Either way, the hate for Hill is getting silly. He's not saying anything outrageous here. I can actually see his point, although NFL players do spend on some ridiculous stuff and many of them party their money away. I love how they're all told not to help out family, but no one tells them not to blow 100k in a strip club champagne room.

Not sure why anyone cares what any type of celebrity says on social media or what an athletes makes or what he does after retirement. 

(04-13-2016, 12:53 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I had trouble telling if Hill made the 2nd post or if he's responding to the 2nd post. Everything says "@JeremyHill".

Either way, the hate for Hill is getting silly. He's not saying anything outrageous here. I can actually see his point, although NFL players do spend on some ridiculous stuff and many of them party their money away. I love how they're all told not to help out family, but no one tells them not to blow 100k in a strip club champagne room.

(04-13-2016, 12:43 PM)Au165 Wrote: Many have been through actual financial advisors, not their cousin Ted. Some of them were very legitimate franchises and such that just didn't work. Some were good investments on paper, but bad management of the company sank their money. Any venture capitalist will tell you that almost 75% of the companies they fund eventually fail. You win by having one or two really win, but these sports guys can't afford to take a couple losses like these big firms can.

This was just based around the investment in companies comment someone made earlier. The reality is if they wanted to live off 60k a year they could take all the money and move it into a safe low return investment strategy. However, they are human and it's tough for any human to change their standard of living severally after becoming accustomed to a certain way. I'm not talking spending millions a year, but to go from spending 200k a year to 60k a year is a big lifestyle change. They tend to have to take on riskier investments to try and maintain a high standard of living.

It is not unique to football players really, look at the population as a whole. Most are grossly under prepared for their requirement.

I agree that they are completely unprepared for life in many cases.  I think part of that is on the NCAA and the NFL, but I also think a lot of it is on them.  You're on a college campus, take some finance courses.  A very good friend of ours is a Financial Advisor who has two current and one former Tampa Bay players as clients.  The client who is retired spent about 10 years in the league.  His wife actually took finance courses in college because they knew they were going to have a short window to make money and wanted it to last.  They live in Orlando, and besides investing in stocks and bonds own a decent amount of commercial real estate downtown.  Both of the current players spend like mad... "send $10k per month to my cousin that I grew up with".  I know that Marcos would also tell them not to invest in any type of franchise.

My main point was that if you play 3-4 years in the league, and you were not a first round draft pick, then you need to make plans for life after football.  You can't support everyone you ever knew (they should respect you enough not to ask) and you can't "retire" at the age of 26.  There are A LOT of opportunities afforded these guys... take advantage of them.  Regardless, never ever go on social media and talk about money... the bulk of society cannot even fathom what these guys make, so all it is going to do is breed contempt.

(04-13-2016, 01:19 PM)OrlandoBengal Wrote: I agree that they are completely unprepared for life in many cases.  I think part of that is on the NCAA and the NFL, but I also think a lot of it is on them.  You're on a college campus, take some finance courses.  A very good friend of ours is a Financial Advisor who has two current and one former Tampa Bay players as clients.  The client who is retired spent about 10 years in the league.  His wife actually took finance courses in college because they knew they were going to have a short window to make money and wanted it to last.  They live in Orlando, and besides investing in stocks and bonds own a decent amount of commercial real estate downtown.  Both of the current players spend like mad... "send $10k per month to my cousin that I grew up with".  I know that Marcos would also tell them not to invest in any type of franchise.

My main point was that if you play 3-4 years in the league, and you were not a first round draft pick, then you need to make plans for life after football.  You can't support everyone you ever knew (they should respect you enough not to ask) and you can't "retire" at the age of 26.  There are A LOT of opportunities afforded these guys... take advantage of them.  Regardless, never ever go on social media and talk about money... the bulk of society cannot even fathom what these guys make, so all it is going to do is breed contempt.

I agree with your entire post, except the bolded. If God gives me a gift that allows me to make millions, my family wouldn't have to ask. I'd buy a modest home for all my close family members who have struggled. Family should always come first. That doesn't mean I'd sit there and pay out 10k a month or anything silly like that, but if you're capable, I do believe you should help the people who raised you or helped you on your way up.

Now if you have 3rd cousins asking for money or anyone starts hitting you up all the time, that's when you have to have some sense about it and cut them off.

(04-13-2016, 01:40 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I agree with your entire post, except the bolded. If God gives me a gift that allows me to make millions, my family wouldn't have to ask. I'd buy a modest home for all my close family members who have struggled. Family should always come first. That doesn't mean I'd sit there and pay out 10k a month or anything silly like that, but if you're capable, I do believe you should help the people who raised you or helped you on your way up.

Now if you have 3rd cousins asking for money or anyone starts hitting you up all the time, that's when you have to have some sense about it and cut them off.

I completely agree on the "close" family members.  I brought up the "$10k per month" because it was part of a conversation I had with my friend on Sunday.  He said the one particular player has made almost $11 million in his career, but has less than $2 million in the bank and very little to show for it.  That the guy has girlfriends, cousins, and everyone else in the world that he sends money to and just won't understand that he can't do that or the money will be gone.

NFL base salary increases $15,000 a year for each year played. Rookie base is 450,000. League states average career is 6 years, NFLPA states it is 3 years. Let's assume it around 4 years. So that would be around 2.25 million for 4 years of work. The average salary for a college grad is around $50,000 a year. It would take 45 years of work to equal an NFL player's worth. If an NFL player can't make 2.25 million last, even if he does nothing else as a career, for 45 years.... That is on him. I hate when pro athletes complain about money. Try living in the real world.

The thing I have about the comment isn't the comment but the cringe I had when I saw the headline and the thought of Marvin. I get that this is a new generation that likes to go to Twitter and such, but after that playoff loss I don't want to hear from ANY of these guys. You aren't going to win anyone over with those comments even if there is some truth to that and the ONLY goal for Hill as a player should be letting his play do the talking and keeping his mouth shut. It's one thing for Marvin's team to lose control during THE game, but another to let distractions drag out through the offseason. Marvin should at least say okay you can post on Twitter but only if you use Carson eating a hot dog as your profile pic.

Can't athletes just go about life and not worry about the stupid petty shit, twitter wars, and drama.

(04-13-2016, 01:19 PM)OrlandoBengal Wrote: I agree that they are completely unprepared for life in many cases.  I think part of that is on the NCAA and the NFL, but I also think a lot of it is on them.  You're on a college campus, take some finance courses.  A very good friend of ours is a Financial Advisor who has two current and one former Tampa Bay players as clients.  The client who is retired spent about 10 years in the league.  His wife actually took finance courses in college because they knew they were going to have a short window to make money and wanted it to last.  They live in Orlando, and besides investing in stocks and bonds own a decent amount of commercial real estate downtown.  Both of the current players spend like mad... "send $10k per month to my cousin that I grew up with".  I know that Marcos would also tell them not to invest in any type of franchise.

My main point was that if you play 3-4 years in the league, and you were not a first round draft pick, then you need to make plans for life after football.  You can't support everyone you ever knew (they should respect you enough not to ask) and you can't "retire" at the age of 26.  There are A LOT of opportunities afforded these guys... take advantage of them.  Regardless, never ever go on social media and talk about money... the bulk of society cannot even fathom what these guys make, so all it is going to do is breed contempt.

Unprepared for life = Shit parenting.

Maybe mom and dad should have done a better job of teaching these young men how to be responsible with money before sending them off to college.

(04-13-2016, 02:03 PM)Crowe Wrote: Can't athletes just go about life and not worry about the stupid petty shit, twitter wars, and drama.

Depends on what athletes you follow.  If you are a fan of the senior tour of golf, then you may be able to avoid seeing the participants employing social media.  If you are a fan of a sport that employs many athletes who are in their early to mid 20s you might be out of luck.

feel nothing for someone that has millions and blows it all. Invest in your future that doesnt mean go out and buy some fast food franchises. or risky stocks or give all your hard earn money to family with hands out. it means take care of yourself and your potential children (if none currently exist) the amount these guys make in a year even on lower end contracts can set a family up for decades as long as they dont go spending it like it will keep coming.

You dont need a 300,000+ house
you dont need a 100,000+ car hell you dont even need a 40,000+ car

I would figure these guys would have more respect for their money unless they grew up with money.

Only one crying is OP

(04-13-2016, 01:58 PM)Gamma Ray Tan Wrote: NFL base salary increases $15,000 a year for each year played. Rookie base is 450,000. League states average career is 6 years, NFLPA states it is 3 years. Let's assume it around 4 years. So that would be around 2.25 million for 4 years of work. The average salary for a college grad is around $50,000 a year. It would take 45 years of work to equal an NFL player's worth. If an NFL player can't make 2.25 million last, even if he does nothing else as a career, for 45 years.... That is on him. I hate when pro athletes complain about money. Try living in the real world.

Lifestyles are so completely different. First, if you had 2.5 million dollars would you be able to make it last 45 years? highly doubtful. You would want a nice house, car, suit, etc. I mean you earned it. 

Could you handle someone always "barking" at you when you're just trying to maintain? Can't go to store without being haggled, club without being pushed, and misc people wanting a piece of that money (lawsuits, etc).  This twitter beef is a prime example. They almost literally have 0 personal life. I couldn't handle that at all.

My issue like others here has stated is that why does he have to be done after football is over as far as earnings perspective goes? I bet you can probably live off being a spokesperson, announcer, beat writer type thing, etc. And they usually do quite well. Sure it's not NFL money, but you can live off 100k or so a year, especially since most of your stuff is likely already paid for. 

(04-13-2016, 02:44 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: feel nothing for someone that has millions and blows it all.   Invest in your future  that doesnt mean go out and buy some fast food franchises. or risky stocks or give all your hard earn money to family with hands out.  it means take care of yourself and your potential children (if none currently exist)   the amount these guys make in a year even on lower end contracts can set a family up for decades as long as they dont go spending it like it will keep coming.

You dont need a 300,000+ house
you dont need a 100,000+ car  hell you dont even need a 40,000+ car  

I would figure these guys would have more respect for their money unless they grew up with money.

Let's be real... a $300k house is not going to put an athlete in the poor house.  That does not buy you much in many areas of the country.

(04-13-2016, 09:16 AM)ItsOdellThurman Wrote: Um...from those Tweets posted, I don't see a "crybaby" at all.

What he says is the truth.  Most football players, unless they get that massive 2nd or 3rd deal, are playing for far less than a competent and educated person would make in a lifetime.  Considering the average NFL career is what, 3 years?

Same way i took it. Don't see "crybaby" myself.

He makes good points. But i also agree with others that he should stay off twitter unless it is an update of some kind.

(04-13-2016, 01:49 PM)OrlandoBengal Wrote: I completely agree on the "close" family members.  I brought up the "$10k per month" because it was part of a conversation I had with my friend on Sunday.  He said the one particular player has made almost $11 million in his career, but has less than $2 million in the bank and very little to show for it.  That the guy has girlfriends, cousins, and everyone else in the world that he sends money to and just won't understand that he can't do that or the money will be gone.

Right. You'd have to be very selective about who you give money to and how much you give them. Helping your close family is a good thing, but they have to be reasonable about it and not look at you as a money tree.

Honestly, I can't even fathom blowing through $9 million. Give me a decent house, a new Dodge Challenger, help out some friends & family a little bit and get some stuff for the kids and I'd be good. That's not even touching $1 million yet.

I think poor investments, gambling and partying are probably the 3 biggest culprits for these athletes that go broke. You also have guys that sleep around and knock up the wrong chick. Then they have massive support payments ala TO.

(04-13-2016, 03:48 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Right. You'd have to be very selective about who you give money to and how much you give them. Helping your close family is a good thing, but they have to be reasonable about it and not look at you as a money tree.

Honestly, I can't even fathom blowing through $9 million. Give me a decent house, a new Dodge Challenger, help out some friends & family a little bit and get some stuff for the kids and I'd be good. That's not even touching $1 million yet.

I think poor investments, gambling and partying are probably the 3 biggest culprits for these athletes that go broke. You also have guys that sleep around and knock up the wrong chick. Then they have massive support payments ala TO.

There was a very good special on ESPN either last year or the year before that talked about athletes going broke.  Evidently TO put most of his money into a casino that literally washed away during Hurricane Katrina.  It talked quite a bit about Warren Sapp as well.  He put the bulk of his money into trying to become a land developer in Sarasota before the crash.  It sounded like neither understood the need for diversification, which any competent Financial Advisor would have explained to them, and that both had dreams of becoming "super rich" after football.  "Super rich" being a relative term, as both made tens of millions during their playing careers...
The special did talk about child support in general.  I forget who it was, but somebody talked about paying $40-50k per month in child support.  How it can actually not seem like that much when you're getting paid, but a few years after you retire you realize how quickly your nest egg is disappearing.