Someone mentioned how Dalton is surrounded by weapons that other QBs would kill for. I've always felt we overvalued our own weapons. So I looked at teams from 2011-2017 to see if other teams had surrounded their QBs with more talent. I didn't look at every team and I'm sure there are some I should have, but this took a long time and I'm tired of doing it.

Here are Dalton's weapons from 2011-2017

AJ Green
Tyler Eifert
Josh Malone
John Ross
Joe Mixon
Mohamed Sanu
Marvin Jones
Armonn Binns
Brandon Tate
Jake Kumerow
James Wright
Tyler Kroft
CJ Uzomah
Ryan Hewitt
Jermaine Gresham
Andre Caldwell
Jerome Simpson
Cody Core
Tyler Boyd
Brandon LaFell
Alex Erickson
BenJarvus Green-Ellis
Giovani Bernard
Jeremy Hill
Cedric Benson
Brian Leonard
Bernard Scott
Cedric Peerman
Andrew Hawkins
Ryan Whalen
Jordan Shipley
Bo Scaife
Colin Cochart
Dan Herron
Dane Sanzenbacher
Orson Charles
Rex Burkhead
Greg Little
Alex Smith
Mario Alford

The next posts will have teams I think have had better weapons in that time frame

Steelers

Hines Ward
Mike Wallace
Emmanuel Sanders
Jerricho Cotchery
Arnaz Battle
Mewelde Moore
Isaac Redmon
Heath Miller
David Johnson
Jonathan Dwyer
Rashard Mendenhall
Plaxico Burress
David Gilreath
Leonard Pope
Jamie McCoy
Le’veon Bell
Will Johnson
Felix Jones
Antonio Brown
Derek Moye
Markus Wheaton
Matt Spaeth
Michael Palmer
David Paulson
Dri Archer
Ben Tate
Martavis Bryant
Darius Heyward-Bey
Lance Moore
Jordan Todman
Fitzgerald Toussaint
Sammie Coates
Jesse James
DeAngelo Williams
Roosevelt Nix
Demarcus Ayers
Cobi Hamilton
Eli Rogers
Ladarius Green
Xavier Grimble
James Conner
Justin Hunter
JuJu Smith-Schuster
Vance McDonald

Ravens

Anthony Allen
Vonta Leach
Ray Rice
Ricky Williams
Anquan Boldin
Tandon Doss
Lee Evans
Torrey Smith
LaQuan Williams
Ed Dickson
Dennis Pitta
Kris Wilson
Bernard Pierce
Jacoby Jones
David Reed
Deonte Thompson
Billy Bajema
Kyle Juszczyck
Bernard Scott
Marlon Brown
Dallas Clark
Brandon Stokley
Justin Forsett
Fitzgerald Toussaint
Kamar Aiken
Marlon Brown
Michael Campanaro
Steve Smith
Crockett Gilmore
Javorius Allen
Terrance West
Terrance Magee
Daniel Brown
Jeremy Butler
Kaelin Clay
Chris Givens
Chris Matthews
Konrad Reuland
Maxx Williams
Kenneth Dixon
Chris Moore
Breshad Perriman
Keenan Reynolds
Mike Wallace
Nick Boyle
Darren Waller
Jeremy Maclin
Benjamin Watson
Vince Mayle

Falcons

Mike Cox
Jacquizz Rogers
Antone Smith
Jason Snelling
Michael Turner
Kevin Cone
Harry Douglas
Julio Jones
Kerry Meier
Eric Weems
Roddy White
Tony Gonzalez
Reggie Kelly
Michael Palmer
Drew Davis
Tim Toone
Chase Coffman
Patrick DiMarco
Steven Jackson
Josh Vaughan
Darius Johnson
Levine Toilolo
Devonta Freeman
Jerome Smith
Bear Pascoe
Tevin Coleman
Terron Ward
Justin Hardy
Devin Hester
Nick Williams
Jacob Tamme
Tony Moeaki
Taylor Gabriel
Aldrick Robinson
Mohamed Sanu
Austin Hooper
Joshua Perkins
DJ Tialavea
Brian Hill
Andre Roberts
Eric Saubert

Bills

Tashard Choice
Corey McIntyre
CJ Spiller
Johnny White
Kamar Aiken
Derek Hagan
Steve Johnson
Ruvell Martin
David Nelson
Naaman Roosevelt
Kevin Brock
Scott Chandler
Fendi Onobun
Marcus Easley
Kevin Elliott
TJ Graham
Chris Hogan
Brad Smith
Lee Smith
Dorin Dickerson
Fred Jackson
Frank Summers
Ronnie Wingo
Marquise Goodwin
Cordell Roberson
Robert Woods
Chris Gragg
Evan Rodriguez
Tony Moeaki
Bryce Brown
Anthony Dixon
Marcus Thigpen
Deonte Thompson
Sammy Watkins
MarQuies Gray
LeSean McCoy
Karlos Williams
Mike Gillislee
Jerome Felton
Dez Lewis
Greg Salas
Walt Powell
Leonard Hankerson
Nick O’Leary
Reggie Bush
Jonathan Williams
Brandon Tate
Charles Clay
Logan Thomas
Gerald Christian
Percy Harvin
Joe Banyard
Patrick DiMarco
Mike Tolbert
Taiwan Jones
Kaelin Clay
Andre Holmes
Jay Jones
Jordan Matthews
Khari Lee

Saints

Jed Collins
Korey Hall
Chris Ivory
Darren Sproles
Pierre Thomas
Adrian Arrington
Marques Colston
Devery Henderson
Robert Meachem
Lance Moore
Courtney Roby
John Gilmore
Jimmy Graham
Michael Higgins
Tory Humphrey
Travaris Cadet
Jed Collins
Mark Ingram
Saalim Hakim
Joe Morgan
David Thomas
Chris Givens
Nick Toon
Khiry Robinson
Kenny Stills
Josh Hill
Benjamin Watson
Erik Lorig
Brandon Coleman
Seantavius Jones
Jalen Saunders
Brandin Cooks
Tim Hightower
Austin Johnson
Toben Opurum
Kendall Hunter
Willie Snead
Michael Hoomanawanui
John Kuhn
Marcus Murphy
Michael Thomas
Daniel Lasco
Corey Fuller
Jake Lampman
Tommylee Lewis
Coby Fleener
John Phillips
Trey Edmunds
Adrian Peterson
Alvin Kamara
Austin Carr
Ted Ginn

Packers

Ryan Grant
John Kuhn
Brandon Saine
James Starks
Randall Cobb
Donald Driver
Greg Jennings
James Jones
Jordy Nelson
Tom Crabtree
Jermichael Finley
Ryan Taylor
DJ Williams
Alex Green
DuJuan Harris
Jarrett Boykin
Jeremy Ross
Cedric Benson
Kahlil Bell
Eddie Lacy
Chris Harper
Andrew Quarless
Jake Stoneburner
Davata Adams
Jeff Janis
Brandon Bostick
Justin Perillo
Richard Rogers
John Crockett
Aaron Ripkowski
Jared Abbrederis
Kennard Backman
Joe Kerridge
Christine Michael
Ty Montgomery
Geronimo Allison
Trevor Davis
Max McCaffrey
Jared Cook
Aaron Jones
Devante Mays
Jamaal Williams
Martellus Bennett
Lance Kendricks

49ers

Anthony Dixon
Frank Gore
Kendall Hunter
Bruce Miller
Moran Norris
Michael Crabtree
Ted Ginn
Kyle Williams
Braylon Edwards
Vernon Davis
Justin Peelle
Delanie Walker
Jewel Hampton
LaMichael James
Chad Hall
AJ Jenkins
Randy Moss
Garrett Celek
Will Tukuafu
Jon Baldwin
Anquan Boldin
Kassim Osgood
Quinton Patton
Derek Carrier
Vance McDonald
Demarcus Dobbs
Carlos Hyde
Phillip Tanner
Alfonso Smith
Bruce Ellington
Trindon Holliday
Steve Johnson
Brandon Lloyd
Asante Cleveland
DuJuan Harris
Shaun Draughn
Kendall Gaskins
Jarryd Hayne
Jerome Simpson
DeAndrew White
Blake Bell
Brain Leonhardt
Mike Davis
Raheem Mostert
Aaron Burbridge
Chris Harper
Jeremy Kerley
DeAndre Smelter
Rod Streater
Jim Dray
Je’Ron Hamm
Matt Breida
Kyle Juszczyck
Victor Bolden
Kendrick Bourne
Pierre Garcon
Marquise Goodwin
Aldrick Robinson
Trent Taylor
George Kittle
Logan Paulsen

Panthers

Jonathan Stewart
DeAngelo Williams
Josh Vaughan
Darvin Adams
Seyi Ajirotutu
Armanti Edwards
Brandon LaFell
Kealoha Pilares
Steve Smith
Richie Brockel
Ben Hartsock
Greg Olsen
Jeremy Shockey
Armond Smith
Mike Tolbert
Joe Adams
David Gettis
Louis Murphy
Gary Barnidge
Ben Hartsock
Kenjon Barber
Ted Ginn
Domenik Henson
Tavarres King
Marvin McNutt
Brandon Williams
Fozzy Whitaker
Kelvin Benjamin
Brenton Bersin
Philly Brown
Jerricho Cotchery
Ed Dickson
Cameron Artis-Payne
Brandon Wegher
Corey Brown
Devin Funchess
Kevin Norwood
Scott Simonson
Damiere Byrd
Chris Manhertz
Alexander Armah
Christian McCaffrey
Curtis Samuel
Russell Shepherd

In 2013 and 2015 the offense was stacked and Dalton's numbers showed that as well. The past two years and in 2014 they were not.

Eagles

Ronnie Brown
Dion Lewis
LeSean McCoy
Owen Schmitt
Jason Avant
Riley Cooper
Chad Hall
DeSean Jackson
Ronald Johnson
Jeremy Maclin
Brent Celek
Clay Harbor
Bryce Brown
Stanley Havili
Chris Polk
Damaris Johnson
Marvin McNutt
Greg Salas
Evan Moore
Emil Igwenagu
Matthew Tucker
Jeff Maehl
Brad Smith
Zack Ertz
James Casey
Darren Sproles
Josh Huff
Jordan Matthews
Trey Burton
Byron Marshall
Terrell Watson
Nelson Agholor
Dorial Green-Beckham
Bryce Treggs
Paul Turner
LaGarrette Blount
Wendell Smallwood
Corey Clement
Alshon Jeffery
Torrey Smith
Mack Hollins
Shelton Gibson
Marcus Johnson
DeMarco Murray
Ryan Mathews
Seyi Ajirotutu
Jonathan Krause
Josh Huff

Cowboys

Shaun Chapas
Tashard Choice
Chris Gronkowski
Felix Jones
Lonyae Miller
Jason Pociask
Phillip Tanner
Frank Warren
Miles Austin
Dez Bryant
James Cleveland
Dominique Edison
Dwayne Harris
Jesse Holley
Manuel Johnson
Lyle Leong
Kevin Ogletree
Tysson Poots
Raymond Radway
Titus Ryan
Martellus Bennett
John Phillips
Martin Rucker
Jason Witten
Lance Dunbar
DeMarco Murray
Jamize Olawale
Lawrence Vickers
Ed Wesley
Cole Beasley
Tim Benford
Saalim Hakim
Andre Holmes
Donovan Kemp
Andrew Szczerba
James Hanna
John Nalbone
Kendial Lawrence
Joseph Randle
Anthony Amos
Anthony Armstrong
Danny Coale
Jared Green
Eric Rogers
Terrance Williams
Colin Cochart
Gavin Escobar
Dante Rosario
Andre Smith
JC Copeland
Ben Malena
Chris Boyd
Dezmon Briscoe
LaRon Byrd
Jamar Newsome
Devin Street
Jordan Najvar
Dallas Walker
Ryan Agnew
Gus Johnson
Lache Seastrunk
Reggie Dunn
George Farmer
Antwan Goodley
Deontay Greenberry
Nick Harwell
AJ Jenkins
Lucky Whitehead
Geoff Swaim
Ezekiel Elliott
Darius Jackson
Alfred Morris
Kevin Smith
Rod Smith
Chris Brown
Bryce Butler
Andy Jones
Vince Mayle
Rodney Smith
Devin Street
Rico Gathers
Austin Traylor
Darren McFadden
Ronnie Hillman
Brian Brown
Noah Brown
Javontee Herndon
Lance Lenoir
Uzoma Nwachukwu
Ryan Switzer
Rico Gathers
Connor Hamlett
Blake Jarwin

While many will want to argue it, I think the Colts have at least been pretty damn close.

Colts

Joseph Addai
Donald Brown
Delone Carter
Jerome Felton
Ryan Mahaffey
Austin Collie
Quan Cosby
Pierre Garcon
Anthony Gonzalez
Reggie Wayne
Dallas Clark
Brody Eldridge
Anthony Hill
Jacob Tamme
Vick Ballard
Deji Karim
Mewelde Moore
Donny Avery
LaVon Brazill
TY Hilton
Nathan Palmer
Dwayne Allen
Coby Fleener
Weslye Saunders
Griff Whalen
Tashard Choice
Trent Richardson
Stanley Havili
Deion Branch
Darius Heyward-Bey
Josh Lenz
Da’Rick Rogers
Jack Doyle
Ahmad Bradshaw
Dan Herron
Chris Rainey
Michael Hill
Zurlon Tipton
Josh Cribbs
Donta Moncrief
Hakeem Nicks
Frank Gore
Trey Williams
Quan Bray
Phillip Dorsett
Andre Johnson
Erik Swoope
Robert Turbin
Josh Ferguson
Jordan Todman
Chester Rogers
Devin Street
Matt Jones
Marlon Mack
Kamar Aiken
Matt Hazel
Darrell Daniels
Brandon Williams

There are more teams, I'm sure. I'm tired of doing the work for you right now. I'm going to have a couple of more drinks and eat some dinner. Feel free to look up other teams on your own.

What is your point? That's the breaks, in the NFL. A good QB can elevate those around him to a higher level. The question you must ask yourself; Are we seeing that, from our franchise QB?

(09-25-2017, 08:58 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: What is your point?  That's the breaks, in the NFL.  A good QB can elevate those around him to a higher level.  The question you must ask yourself;  Are we seeing that, from our franchise QB?

The point is that every season we hear how Dalton has the top weapons in the league. We severely overvalue players on here. That's the point. I'm not saying he's surrounded by scrubs, I'm just saying it's not hard to find teams that have had just as much if not more talent surrounding them than Dalton.

I'd say the Steelers and Falcons have better weapons...but AJ Green is an elite WR. Lafell is good. Jones and Sanu were good #2 and #3 guys. Our backs were generally good too.

(09-25-2017, 09:03 PM)muskiesfan Wrote: The point is that every season we hear how Dalton has the top weapons in the league. We severely overvalue players on here. That's the point. I'm not saying he's surrounded by scrubs, I'm just saying it's not hard to find teams that have had just as much if not more talent surrounding them than Dalton.

Agree. Most fans overvalue draft picks and offensive guys. I heard how Ross would be uncoverable. How Mixon didn't need a line.

IF you believe a guy like Ross is elite right off the bat then we are loaded.

Also fans look at how good a guy is at their peak not right now. At one point Eifert was a really good TE. Injuries have robbed him of that. He's an average TE now.

We don't rush well. We don't pass block well. And our QB is weak when pressured. Seems a recipe for disaster. Teams can just pin their ears back and double Green.

(09-25-2017, 09:03 PM)muskiesfan Wrote: The point is that every season we hear how Dalton has the top weapons in the league. We severely overvalue players on here. That's the point. I'm not saying he's surrounded by scrubs, I'm just saying it's not hard to find teams that have had just as much if not more talent surrounding them than Dalton.

I mean, that's hardly news.

We have a ton of yearly threads about how great Ryan Whalen, Dane Sanzenbacher, Bernard Scott, Dezmon Briscoe, Josh Malone, etc, etc, etc, are going to be.

Mohamed Sanu had those 4 TDs in 3 games as a rookie and people were jizzing their pants about how great he was going to be.
Heck, right before this season started I remember seeing a thread about how the Bengals had "4 great TEs" or something like that. Gushing over Kroft and Hewitt.

That's always been a pretty big thing here.