(08-30-2019, 08:25 AM)corpjet Wrote: Malik Jefferson, another wasted 3rd pick

i have to agree.  Big disappointment.  And Orlando Brown was there.  

I think, if we are talking one or two players, I think we need defense depth.

(08-30-2019, 05:47 AM)psychdoctor Wrote: The Colts game (which was painful to watch) ends the preseason.  The time is looming for some talented players who do not make the 53-man roster.  I know Luvnit2 has final cuts but please List your surprised cuts here:

I will have to go with Malone.  I thought he would be a surprised break out player but I do not feel he accomplished enough to make the 53-man roster.

Malone...
Driskel  although not a surprise at this point but if he was healthy he might have made it on STs
John Jerry might be a surpise cut.

(08-30-2019, 09:55 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: Malone...
Driskel  although not a surprise at this point but if he was healthy he might have made it on STs
John Jerry might be a surpise cut.

Jerry was getting beat by scrubs at OT last night. I hope anyone who thought he could fill in adequately as the 4th OT has changed his/her mind.

(08-30-2019, 10:07 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Jerry was getting beat by scrubs at OT last night. I hope anyone who thought he could fill in adequately as the 4th OT has changed his/her mind.

It really should come as no surprise to anyone.  Jerry was out of the league for a year, and was only a fair to middling player at the apex of his career.  If he was merely brought in as an insurance policy, in case Westerman or Jordan couldn't do the job, then I'd say that he served his purpose.

(08-30-2019, 09:07 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Agreed

Core has 30 receptions and 1 TD in three full NFL seasons. It's time to move on

How sad is it that’s still more receptions than Ross...

Bryant deserves a spot, he played as well as the low level veterans. What WR doesnt sound great with the name BRYANT???

(08-30-2019, 09:08 AM)yellowxdiscipline Wrote: I feel you man. I think its silly, but regardless there's still people on here claiming Core should get a spot over others because of "special teams value".

I was saying this when we had Peerman as well, dude was atrocious when he was asked to take snaps at running back, but no we couldn't cut him because he was our best special teamer. I'm sure most players when given a chance could contribute to special teams, unless they are completely allergic to basic blocking and tackling.

A 7th WR is going to be getting more snaps on Special Teams than Offense and there are likely to be more big plays per play on Special Teams than on Offense so I'm fine with developing Special Teams specialists - like Peerman, like Fejedelem. If he outperforms Malone, Jefferson or whoever else he's competing with on Special Teams then keep him on the roster.

Also, is Jordan Willis safe?

(08-30-2019, 09:44 AM)Second Down Wrote: I'm not a fan of Core or Malone. They've been here for a few years and have been underwhelming. This team should be all about a new energy. I'd be completely fine with the 7 WR ESPN picked for us to keep.

A.J. Green, John Ross, Tyler Boyd, Damion Willis, Auden Tate, Alex Erickson, and Ventell Bryant

Bryant has yet to play with even the 2nd string QB against a full 2nd team defense  He looks good among 3rd stringers and scrubs.  Would like to see more from him against better players before we anoint him

My surprise cut is Josh Tupou.  Billings and Glasgow aren't going anyplace and Andrew Brown has shown more growth this preseason than just about any player on the defense

(08-30-2019, 08:27 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Another one that I agree with, that should also not come as a surprise.  I don't know how the Bengals got onto drafting LBs based purely upon physical traits, rather than football instinct and acumen.

It's either the backers with no instincts or the backers with no athleticism.   They are not good at drafting backers.

(08-30-2019, 08:05 AM)yellowxdiscipline Wrote: Cody Core, only because I want to rile up people.

I can hear it now... "Cody Core is the best special teams player ever, we cant cut him!"

Why not mock the Tate fans?  They are even more ridiculous than the Core fans.

"Since special teams don't matter we should keep Tate."

Core NFL career... 30 rec...... 12.0 avg..... 50.8 catch percentage..... 6.1 yds per target..... 1 td
Tate NFL career...  4 rec.......  8.8 avg...... 33.3 catch percentage..... 2.9 yds per target..... 0 td 

(08-30-2019, 10:37 AM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: A 7th WR is going to be getting more snaps on Special Teams than Offense and there are likely to be more big plays per play on Special Teams than on Offense so I'm fine with developing Special Teams specialists - like Peerman, like Fejedelem. If he outperforms Malone, Jefferson or whoever else he's competing with on Special Teams then keep him on the roster.

I'm not so sure that I believe that, in this day and age.  It seemed like the top offensive units last season were spreading the ball around to many different receivers.  I did a quick search and found this about Drew Brees throwing TDs to 15 different receivers last year.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/01/20/drew-brees-new-orleans-saints-touchdown-passes-receivers-list

(08-30-2019, 10:37 AM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: A 7th WR is going to be getting more snaps on Special Teams than Offense and there are likely to be more big plays per play on Special Teams than on Offense so I'm fine with developing Special Teams specialists - like Peerman, like Fejedelem. If he outperforms Malone, Jefferson or whoever else he's competing with on Special Teams then keep him on the roster.

This is the point a lot of people miss.  Core plays probably 200m snaps a year on special teams.

And people who think special teams are meaningless don't have a clue.  

**EDIT**  Just to be clear I am not a huge fan of Core.  I am not saying he has to make the roster.  I am just poiunting oiut the flaws in some people's arguments.  Special teams players are more important than a lot of people here think.

I have yet to see anyone put up 1 surprise cut. Based on how players played in preseason and those not rookies I would be surprised if these guys make it who were mentioned:

Malone
Core (may be a trade for a 7th round pick as had good camp and is good ST player)
Jerry
Jefferson

To me a surprise cut is someone who most felt had the 53 roster made and then were cut:
Willis
Brown (who had good preseason)

I don't see one, unless someone like these 2 guys above

(08-30-2019, 10:19 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It really should come as no surprise to anyone.  Jerry was out of the league for a year, and was only a fair to middling player at the apex of his career.  If he was merely brought in as an insurance policy, in case Westerman or Jordan couldn't do the job, then I'd say that he served his purpose.

It wasn't a surprise to me, but some were saying not to bother with a guy like Mills because Jerry can be that 4th OT. Even if it's not Mills, I really hope the team brings in another OT over the next week because they can't go into the season with just Glenn, Hart, and Smith.

(08-30-2019, 10:43 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Why not mock the Tate fans?  They are even more ridiculous than the Core fans.

"Since special teams don't matter we should keep Tate."

Core NFL career... 30 rec...... 12.0 avg..... 50.8 catch percentage..... 6.1 yds per target..... 1 td
Tate NFL career...  4 rec.......  8.8 avg...... 33.3 catch percentage..... 2.9 yds per target..... 0 td 

Well, in the Tate fans defense, this is only his second year with the team.  He looks poised to make advances with the starting unit this season.  Core is entering his 4th season, and still looks pretty dismal.

I doubt that coaches solely make preseason games the deciding factor for cutting guys since it's hard to really evaluate 1's going against 1's that play decent vs 2's against 2's that look good.

But, special teams are important. I was listening to a show on the radio where Steelers fans wanted some of their LB's cut and the guys point was that special teams are huge and the guys they wanted cut were good on special teams. vs The guys that were kept being depth guys that wouldn't see regular snaps.

(08-30-2019, 10:47 AM)fredtoast Wrote: This is the point a lot of people miss.  Core plays probably 200m snaps a year on special teams.

And people who think special teams are meaningless don't have a clue.  

**EDIT**  Just to be clear I am not a huge fan of Core.  I am not saying he has to make the roster.  I am just poiunting oiut the flaws in some people's arguments.  Special teams players are more important than a lot of people here think.

It was 189 last year, which was 7th on the team.
He played 227 in 2017, which was 6th most.

(08-30-2019, 10:50 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Well, in the Tate fans defense, this is only his second year with the team.  He looks poised to make advances with the starting unit this season.  Core is entering his 4th season, and still looks pretty dismal.

It's kind of like how Cedric Peerman made the roster for years because of special teams when he wasn't going to get RB snaps. They even valued him over William Jackson when it came to returning to the roster.