2009 - 1/11 - Huber (5th)
2010 - 2/9 - Dunlap (2nd) and Atkins (4th)
2011 -1.5/8 - Green (1st) and Dalton (2nd)
2012 - 0/10 after Dre was cut
2013 - 2/10 Bernard (2nd) and S. Williams (3rd)
2014 - 0/9 after Dennard went
2015 - 1/9 - Uzomah (5th)
2016 - 2/7 - WJIII (1st) and Boyd (2nd)
2017 - 7/11 - Ross (1st), Mixon (2nd), Lawson and Glasgow (4th), Evans and Wilson (6th), Shreck (7th)
2018 - 6/11 - Price (1st), Bates (2nd), Hubbard (3rd), Andrew Brown and Phillips (5th), Tate (7th)
2019 - 8/10 - J. Williams (1st), Sample (2nd) Pratt (3rd), Finley, Wren and Jordan (4th), T. Williams and Anderson (6th)
2020 - 7/7 for now


Whilst there are no players from 2006 still on the Bengals' roster, that Bengals draft class incredibly still has Whitworth in the NFL whilst Joseph and Peko were both on rosters last year as well. In contrast 2008 had everyone other that Pat Sims (2017) out of the League by 2015 and 2007 everyone except Leon Hall (2018) out by 2013.

Pretty amazing that 2009-10 now provide as many of the current roster as 2012-15. That 2012 draft was actually one of the Bengals' best with Dre, Zeitler, Sanu, Marvin Jones and Iloka all starters but the subsequent drafts paved the way for our recent struggles.

For now 2017 is strongly represented but it's not inconceivable that all 7 are gone by next year.

2020 looks like being only the second time this decade, after 2016, that all draftees will make the roster.

That 2012-2015 wasteland is the reason we are where we are.

I bet we see a lot more turnover next year as Taylor gets his kind of guys. OL/TE and D-line depth still need upgrades.

(04-27-2020, 01:43 PM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: 2009 - 1/11 - Huber (5th)
2010 - 2/9 - Dunlap (2nd) and Atkins (4th)
2011 -1.5/8 - Green (1st) and Dalton (2nd)
2012 - 0/10 after Dre was cut
2013 - 2/10 Bernard (2nd) and S. Williams (3rd)
2014 - 0/9 after Dennard went
2015 - 1/9 - Uzomah (5th)
2016 - 2/7 - WJIII (1st) and Boyd (2nd)
2017 - 7/11 - Ross (1st), Mixon (2nd), Lawson and Glasgow (4th), Evans and Wilson (6th), Shreck (7th)
2018 - 6/11 - Price (1st), Bates (2nd), Hubbard (3rd), Andrew Brown and Phillips (5th), Tate (7th)
2019 - 8/10 - J. Williams (1st), Sample (2nd) Pratt (3rd), Finley, Wren and Jordan (4th), T. Williams and Anderson (6th)
2020 - 7/7 for now


Whilst there are no players from 2006 still on the Bengals' roster, that Bengals draft class incredibly still has Whitworth in the NFL whilst Joseph and Peko were both on rosters last year as well. In contrast 2008 had everyone other that Pat Sims (2017) out of the League by 2015 and 2007 everyone except Leon Hall (2018) out by 2013.

Pretty amazing that 2009-10 now provide as many of the current roster as 2012-15. That 2012 draft was actually one of the Bengals' best with Dre, Zeitler, Sanu, Marvin Jones and Iloka all starters but the subsequent drafts paved the way for our recent struggles.

For now 2017 is strongly represented but it's not inconceivable that all 7 are gone by next year.

2020 looks like being only the second time this decade, after 2016, that all draftees will make the roster.

Our 2016 class was very good and while their not all still on the team, every one of those guys is starting in the nfl today.  2014 was a TERRIBLE draft and its not surprising that we failed to convert our success prior to the future.  We were depending on drafting our team during that period and solidifying our roster for a Superbowl push, but ultimately they drafted bad players and the team started slipping.  I look at drafts in terms of success 3-5 years later and the impact those guys had on the team.  2012 may have been our most successful draft considering the playtime all those guys got and while none were pro bowl players they were all average or above and were all a big part of our 2014-16 run.

Glasgow, Evans and Schreck probably aren’t making the team this year. So that’s 3 more gone from 2017.

It's pretty common knowledge that the average length of an NFL career is 3.3 years. I read a stat posted on quorum.com that said roughly 35% of all players drafted make a roster.

What I'm really curious to find out, but continue to come up empty on any solid information is; What percentage of all players drafted make it to a 2nd contract? Between superstar contracts continuing to climb, and league minimums continuing to rise as well, many teams are simply hamstrung by the cap to keep a percentage of players on rookie deals.

Let's be honest after 2010/2011 our drafting has been terrible.

With that said it's behind us now, nothing we can do about it, lets look forward and place our faith in Zac and his staff.

(04-27-2020, 01:56 PM)Okeana Wrote: Our 2016 class was very good and while their not all still on the team, every one of those guys is starting in the nfl today.  2014 was a TERRIBLE draft and its not surprising that we failed to convert our success prior to the future.  We were depending on drafting our team during that period and solidifying our roster for a Superbowl push, but ultimately they drafted bad players and the team started slipping.  I look at drafts in terms of success 3-5 years later and the impact those guys had on the team.  2012 may have been our most successful draft considering the playtime all those guys got and while none were pro bowl players they were all average or above and were all a big part of our 2014-16 run.

Don't think Westerman is still in the NFL but, yeah that was a decent draft in the midst of a poor run of drafting.

(04-27-2020, 04:09 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It's pretty common knowledge that the average length of an NFL career is 3.3 years. I read a stat posted on quorum.com that said roughly 35% of all players drafted make a roster.

What I'm really curious to find out, but continue to come up empty on any solid information is; What percentage of all players drafted make it to a 2nd contract? Between superstar contracts continuing to climb, and league minimums continuing to rise as well, many teams are simply hamstrung by the cap to keep a percentage of players on rookie deals.

I think that average length of a career includes undrafted players as well.

This is a bit dated but breaks it down by round
https://mgoblog.com/diaries/round-and-longevity-another-look-nfl-career-length

(04-27-2020, 04:26 PM)corpjet Wrote: Let's be honest after 2010/2011 our drafting has been terrible.

With that said it's behind us now, nothing we can do about it, lets look forward and place our faith in Zac and his staff.

2012 was one of the Bengals' greatest ever drafts. Marvin Jones in the 5th, Zeitler, Sanu (traded for a 2nd round pick only last year), Dre, George Iloka at the back of the 5th. The issue with that draft is that we failed to retain the offensive talent. It was the 2009-2012 drafts which powered those 5 consecutive play-off appearances.

(04-27-2020, 01:43 PM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: 2009 - 1/11 - Huber (5th)
2010 - 2/9 - Dunlap (2nd) and Atkins (4th)
2011 -1.5/8 - Green (1st) and Dalton (2nd)
2012 - 0/10 after Dre was cut
2013 - 2/10 Bernard (2nd) and S. Williams (3rd)
2014 - 0/9 after Dennard went
2015 - 1/9 - Uzomah (5th)
2016 - 2/7 - WJIII (1st) and Boyd (2nd)
2017 - 7/11 - Ross (1st), Mixon (2nd), Lawson and Glasgow (4th), Evans and Wilson (6th), Shreck (7th)
2018 - 6/11 - Price (1st), Bates (2nd), Hubbard (3rd), Andrew Brown and Phillips (5th), Tate (7th)
2019 - 8/10 - J. Williams (1st), Sample (2nd) Pratt (3rd), Finley, Wren and Jordan (4th), T. Williams and Anderson (6th)
2020 - 7/7 for now


Whilst there are no players from 2006 still on the Bengals' roster, that Bengals draft class incredibly still has Whitworth in the NFL whilst Joseph and Peko were both on rosters last year as well. In contrast 2008 had everyone other that Pat Sims (2017) out of the League by 2015 and 2007 everyone except Leon Hall (2018) out by 2013.

Pretty amazing that 2009-10 now provide as many of the current roster as 2012-15. That 2012 draft was actually one of the Bengals' best with Dre, Zeitler, Sanu, Marvin Jones and Iloka all starters but the subsequent drafts paved the way for our recent struggles.

For now 2017 is strongly represented but it's not inconceivable that all 7 are gone by next year.

2020 looks like being only the second time this decade, after 2016, that all draftees will make the roster.

If you look at 2012-2015, it is pretty apparent why the team has slid so much...

Hopefully, the trend is heading in the opposite direction with the 2017 draft and the core is being developed.  Remember, they have also made some good UDFA signings along the way.  

You should do NFL roster as oppose to just the Bengals Roster.

(04-27-2020, 04:26 PM)corpjet Wrote: Let's be honest after 2010/2011 our drafting has been terrible.

With that said it's behind us now, nothing we can do about it, lets look forward and place our faith in Zac and his staff.

TF are you talking about?

2012 was INSANELY-good.
2016 is the best draft this decade, after 2010 and 2011.
2017 was great after the 1st round.
2018 is meh.
Last year was great on the whole, but still to early to call.

Gain some perspective man.

(04-27-2020, 01:55 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: That 2012-2015 wasteland is the reason we are where we are.

I bet we see a lot more turnover next year as Taylor gets his kind of guys. OL/TE and D-line depth still need upgrades.

Part of it... But we have also had sub par coaching from coordinators and position coaches (head coach has been suspect as well) since the end of 2015 too. I haven't noticed too many teams trying to poach our coaching staff since then.

Is there a list with players still in the league?

(04-27-2020, 03:56 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Glasgow, Evans and Schreck probably aren’t making the team this year. So that’s 3 more gone from 2017.

Glasgow is a hell of a player. He will make the team unless he gets hurt.

(04-29-2020, 08:27 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Glasgow is a hell of a player. He will make the team unless he gets hurt.

It's just going to be a numbers game. He's already behind Geno, Reader, Toupu and Wren. with more 3-4 fronts coming, I just don't think he fits that scheme as well. He'll be battling with Brown and Clark for the last spot on the d-line.

(04-27-2020, 04:09 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It's pretty common knowledge that the average length of an NFL career is 3.3 years.  I read a stat posted on quorum.com that said roughly 35% of all players drafted make a roster.

What I'm really curious to find out, but continue to come up empty on any solid information is;  What percentage of all players drafted make it to a 2nd contract?  Between superstar contracts continuing to climb, and league minimums continuing to rise as well, many teams are simply hamstrung by the cap to keep a percentage of players on rookie deals.

Not really what you're asking for, but interesting no less....

According to the NFL if you make an opening day roster as a rookie, the average career length is 6.0 years. The average career length for a 1st round pick is 9.3 years and if you make it to at least 1 Pro Bowl, you average 11.7 years.

(04-29-2020, 11:29 AM)Yojimbo Wrote: It's just going to be a numbers game. He's already behind Geno, Reader, Toupu and Wren. with more 3-4 fronts coming, I just don't think he fits that scheme as well. He'll be battling with Brown and Clark for the last spot on the d-line.

I'm not sure Toupu or Wren are in front of him. Wren has potential, but we haven't really seen it yet.

(04-29-2020, 12:07 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I'm not sure Toupu or Wren are in front of him. Wren has potential, but we haven't really seen it yet.

Toupou is 100% in front of him.

Wren is a different story.

(04-29-2020, 12:07 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I'm not sure Toupu or Wren are in front of him. Wren has potential, but we haven't really seen it yet.

I’m just putting Wren in front because he is this coaching staff’s pick and Glasgow is from the previous.

I also forgot about the new 5th round pick, Kareem. If he’s listed as a DE and not and rush OLB, that’s another guy Glasgow is competing with for the last spot.

(04-29-2020, 01:13 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: I’m just putting Wren in front because he is this coaching staff’s pick and Glasgow is from the previous.

I also forgot about the new 5th round pick, Kareem. If he’s listed as a DE and not and rush OLB, that’s another guy Glasgow is competing with for the last spot.

Khalid Kareem was a defensive end in Clark Lea's 425 defense. In the Bengals defense he will be a edge defender with the possibility he gets moved inside to rush sometimes.

(04-29-2020, 08:27 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Glasgow is a hell of a player. He will make the team unless he gets hurt.

He has to compete against the following DL:
- Dunlap
- Atkins
- Reader
- Hubbard
- Lawson
- Tupou
- Kareem
- Wren
- Brown

Not sure he makes the team unless he can play 3-4 DE.