(11-21-2020, 05:09 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Exhibit A for why you never pay RBs.

WTF?

Players at every position get injured.

I guess we should never pay a CB because Waynes got injured, right?

This is not Mixons fault getting injured but my lord do we have a lot of pay going out to a few guys this year that we are getting very little production out of. I really like Mixon but for the most part the line makes a rb. Don't pay big for one.

Another player overpaid and gets injured to often.In my opinion,Mixon isn’t a very durable RB.Before I I sign a player to that kind of money I’m going to look at every aspect of his play.Bobby Hart another example.

(11-21-2020, 05:13 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Some are worth it, I think Joe is.

Ya he really balled out this year. NOT! These guys are such fragile bitches... Should've never signed him.. 

This guy will be traded next year. Reminds me of the Gurley mistake in LA.. You think Zack would have known better..

(11-21-2020, 07:54 PM)WhodeyRay Wrote: This is not Mixons fault getting injured but my lord do we have a lot of pay going out to a few guys this year that we are getting very little production out of. I really like Mixon but for the most part the line makes a rb. Don't pay big for one.

Players injured (cap hit):
Mixon ($4.3 mill)
Reader ($10 mill)
Waynes ($10 mill)
Uzomah ($5.9 mill)
Ross ($5.5 mill)
XSF ($2.25 mill)
--------------------------
$38 mill

Players active but not producing well at all:
Green ($18.1 mill)
Atkins ($14.2 mill)
------------------------
$32.3 mill

Players making decent money but relegated to backup:
Price ($3.2 mill)
Shawn Williams ($4.9 mill)
--------------------
$8.1 mill

Total "wasted" cap space = $78.4 mill (37.6% of total cap space for 2020)

(11-21-2020, 09:52 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Players injured (cap hit):
Mixon ($4.3 mill)
Reader ($10 mill)
Waynes ($10 mill)
Uzomah ($5.9 mill)
Ross ($5.5 mill)
XSF ($2.25 mill)
--------------------------
$38 mill

Players active but not producing well at all:
Green ($18.1 mill)
Atkins ($14.2 mill)
------------------------
$32.3 mill

Players making decent money but relegated to backup:
Price ($3.2 mill)
Shawn Williams ($4.9 mill)
--------------------
$8.1 mill

Total "wasted" cap space = $78.4 mill (37.6% of total cap space for 2020)

I’d add Sample to the not producing group. You could get similar production from an UDFA making league minimum.

(11-21-2020, 09:37 PM)Tony Wrote: This guy will be traded next year. Reminds me of the Gurley mistake in LA.. You think Zack would have known better..

Joe Mixon was on pace for 1141 rushing yards and 368 receiving yards.
In total, that was on pace for 1509 yards from scrimmage.

That would have actually been his best season to date.

While I'm also in the camp of don't pay RBs unless you have a run-oriented offense (which we don't), he has been a key contributor every season.
I do think that if his money had gone toward the OL instead of him, we'd have a better offense overall.
But I also said the same thing about AJ lol.

(11-21-2020, 09:56 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I’d add Sample to the not producing group. You could get similar production from an UDFA making league minimum.

I mean yea, but he only has a cap hit of $1.25 mill this season. The league minimum isn't really far off from that.

Joe Mixon? More like Woe Mix..hurt, amirite?

(11-21-2020, 10:05 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Joe Mixon?  More like Woe Mix..hurt, amirite?

What's in your glass?  'Cause I think I want one of those next!

(11-21-2020, 07:21 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: Meh. I’m a Mixon guy but I’m starting to regret this deal. I never liked paying RBs either but I thought the deal was reasonable enough.

It's absolutely reasonable, especially given two more seasons of rookie salary for the other Joe.

(11-21-2020, 10:01 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I mean yea, but he only has a cap hit of $1.25 mill this season. The league minimum isn't really far off from that.

League minimum is only 585k isn’t it?

(11-21-2020, 10:13 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: League minimum is only 585k isn’t it?

Depends on years of service.

Quote:

• 0 (Zero) Credited Seasons: $610,000
• 1 Credited Season: $675,000
• 2 Credited Seasons: $750,000
• 3 Credited Seasons: $825,000
• 4 to 6 Credited Seasons: $910,000
• 7+ Credited Seasons: $1,050,000

https://www.ewusiaklaw.com/blog/2020/9/8/2020-league-minimum-nfl-player-salary

(11-21-2020, 10:18 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: Depends on years of service.


https://www.ewusiaklaw.com/blog/2020/9/8/2020-league-minimum-nfl-player-salary

Like I said, I was going off the assumption we could get similar production from an UDFA. It’s not really a significant amount of money or anything in the grand scheme of things (neither is XSF though), but it’s another position we’re not getting much from.

I’m sure Mixon is relieved he signed early. I remember there was thought he might try to play this year out before signing to prove his worth. He made the logical choice and it paid off.

(11-21-2020, 09:58 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Joe Mixon was on pace for 1141 rushing yards and 368 receiving yards.
In total, that was on pace for 1509 yards from scrimmage.

That would have actually been his best season to date.

While I'm also in the camp of don't pay RBs unless you have a run-oriented offense (which we don't), he has been a key contributor every season.
I do think that if his money had gone toward the OL instead of him, we'd have a better offense overall.
But I also said the same thing about AJ lol.

I would bet anything he wasn't going to hit any of those projections... You could get his stats out of any RB. I think it was a waste of $ to sign him. He's overrated as hell and there hasn't been much drop off without him .

(11-21-2020, 10:45 PM)Tony Wrote: I would bet anything he wasn't going to hit any of those projections... You could get his stats out of any RB. I think it was a waste of $ to sign him. He's overrated as hell and there hasn't been much drop off without him .

No you couldn’t.

(11-21-2020, 10:46 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: No you couldn’t.

This ^^^

(11-21-2020, 09:52 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Players injured (cap hit):
Mixon ($4.3 mill)
Reader ($10 mill)
Waynes ($10 mill)
Uzomah ($5.9 mill)
Ross ($5.5 mill)
XSF ($2.25 mill)
--------------------------
$38 mill

Players active but not producing well at all:
Green ($18.1 mill)
Atkins ($14.2 mill)
------------------------
$32.3 mill

Players making decent money but relegated to backup:
Price ($3.2 mill)
Shawn Williams ($4.9 mill)
--------------------
$8.1 mill

Total "wasted" cap space = $78.4 mill (37.6% of total cap space for 2020)

Bad take that you don't have him in the upper category. 

I don't think he's had a full practice all season and he missed the first 4 games outright as his shoulder is clearly not okay.

I mean, come on... you have Ross in the injured category and he wasn't even hurt when he got deactivated for games.