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Skill players surrounding Andy - OrangeLacroix - 07-19-2017
Not talking line, but WR, RB, TE
The flash.
We have by my count: 3 First Rounders and 4 Second Round Picks at Andy's disposal. Andy himself a early 2nd Round Pick #35 - Leave him out of it tho.
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2 First round WRs, a top 5 and top 10 pick. AJ and Ross
1 Slot WR - Second Round Pick - Boyd Pick # 55
1st Round TE - Eifert Pick # 21
And a stable of 3 RBs all taken in the second round.
Gio* - Pick 37
Hill - Pick 55
Mixon - Pick 48
All of these guys are under the age of 28, High value picks.
Is there a team in the NFL with more age-prime, 1st and 2nd round skill players? I cant think of anyone off the top of my head. Should be a great offensive year. I wish Andy could do more on his own, so a few of these above picks could have been spent on D.
*Coming off injury
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - Brownshoe - 07-19-2017
It would be nice if everyone could play a whole year together. 2015 was the only year that we had Green/Eifert for (practically) the whole year healthy. Every other year we have had major injuries on offense.
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - Gohards - 07-19-2017
you can give him all the skill players you want, but if he has no time for the play to develop, it means nothing.
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - OrangeLacroix - 07-19-2017
(07-19-2017, 06:09 PM)Gohards Wrote: you can give him all the skill players you want, but if he has no time for the play to develop, it means nothing.
Historically he has had a tremendous OL.
Last year was awful, but he has had a very good OL most seasons
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - bfine32 - 07-19-2017
It's not like we have a bunch of UDFAs blocking for him either. We have two 1st rounders, a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. If they can liv up to their draft status this O could be prolific.
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - Brimey - 07-19-2017
2014 and 2016 his skill players were banged up and decimated by the end of the year.
2015 everyone stayed relatively healthy and he was having a MVP caliber season before he was injured. The team was 10-1 at that point.
2017 is here and the offense is arguably more loaded than 2015. Makes me highly optimistic. Once again we are back to the tired off-season question of, "Will the O Line show up?"
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - Essex Johnson - 07-19-2017
(07-19-2017, 05:20 PM)OrangeLacroix Wrote: Not talking line, but WR, RB, TE
The flash.
We have by my count: 3 First Rounders and 4 Second Round Picks at Andy's disposal. Andy himself a early 2nd Round Pick #35 - Leave him out of it tho.
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2 First round WRs, a top 5 and top 10 pick. AJ and Ross
1 Slot WR - Second Round Pick - Boyd Pick # 55
1st Round TE - Eifert Pick # 21
And a stable of 3 RBs all taken in the second round.
Gio* - Pick 37
Hill - Pick 55
Mixon - Pick 48
All of these guys are under the age of 28, High value picks.
Is there a team in the NFL with more age-prime, 1st and 2nd round skill players? I cant think of anyone off the top of my head. Should be a great offensive year. I wish Andy could do more on his own, so a few of these above picks could have been spent on D.
*Coming off injury
You are just assuming that these picks have played to their draft level and have stayed healthy, we know that is not true...
Hill: 1 solid year, 2 bad years
Gio: solid but hurt and had rough year last year
Mixon and Ross: Yet to play
Eifert: more game hurt than played
Boyd: good start for 1 year
Now take our best year so far with Andy 2015, Eifert and AJ healthy playing, Gio solid.. we are heading towards division possible home field advantage then Andy gets hurt... so we could say if Andy just could have stayed healthy finally with a team playing healthy we were looking awesome.
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - Essex Johnson - 07-19-2017
(07-19-2017, 06:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It's not like we have a bunch of UDFAs blocking for him either. We have two 1st rounders, a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. If they can liv up to their draft status this O could be prolific.
It is way more than living up to draft status.. health of your top players, also FO decisions on playing tackles out of position have added to our lack of performance especially last year... I look at Smith though on back side of his career less as a #1 pick and actually he had three seasons where he played at 1st round level for the Bengals.. if he can just play solid at guard it will be a success, Bodine has to still improve from his 4th round pick, Boling played decent last year, I feel confident the two tackles will play better this year but they have to really move the bar to play up to their level of draft pick
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - CageTheBengal - 07-20-2017
The o-line is a huge concern but we also need Boyd to improve, Gio to get healthy, Eifert to stay healthy and the top 2 rookies to contribute to get back to 2015 form.
There are some obstacles but I'm hopeful.
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - sandwedge - 07-20-2017
(07-19-2017, 05:20 PM)OrangeLacroix Wrote: Not talking line, but WR, RB, TENot sure what you mean, when say, you wish Andy could do more on his own?
The flash.
We have by my count: 3 First Rounders and 4 Second Round Picks at Andy's disposal. Andy himself a early 2nd Round Pick #35 - Leave him out of it tho.
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2 First round WRs, a top 5 and top 10 pick. AJ and Ross
1 Slot WR - Second Round Pick - Boyd Pick # 55
1st Round TE - Eifert Pick # 21
And a stable of 3 RBs all taken in the second round.
Gio* - Pick 37
Hill - Pick 55
Mixon - Pick 48
All of these guys are under the age of 28, High value picks.
Is there a team in the NFL with more age-prime, 1st and 2nd round skill players? I cant think of anyone off the top of my head. Should be a great offensive year. I wish Andy could do more on his own, so a few of these above picks could have been spent on D.
*Coming off injury
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - TKUHL - 07-20-2017
(07-19-2017, 06:09 PM)Gohards Wrote: you can give him all the skill players you want, but if he has no time for the play to develop, it means nothing.
Yup, we have 1st and 2nd round picks everywhere except where we need them. But I still have this gut feeling that we are going to be a juggernaut offense.
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - OrangeLacroix - 07-20-2017
(07-20-2017, 12:02 PM)sandwedge Wrote: Not sure what you mean, when say, you wish Andy could do more on his own?
He could do a lot more. You inability to see his weaknesses is troubling
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - RASCAL - 07-20-2017
(07-20-2017, 06:20 PM)OrangeLacroix Wrote: He could do a lot more. You inability to see his weaknesses is troubling
ohhh shit!
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - Synric - 07-20-2017
Ill Bite.
Jaguars (2016)
Blake Bortles Rnd 1
Marcedes Lewis Rnd 1
Allen Robinson Rnd 2
TJ Yeldon Rnd 2
Marqise Lee Rnd 2
Julius Thomas...Rnd 4 but come on gotta mention Thomas.
Upon Further Review Draft Status Doesnt win Football games.
Edit: I can do the patriots next that one will really mess with your head loll
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - grampahol - 07-21-2017
Grading players on when they were drafted in college has always been misleading. Plenty of really great college players fizzle out before their first year in the NFL. A lot of high draft picks are chosen incorrectly anyway. I think that's where the phrase 'reaching' comes from. If it were all about 1st round talent the Cleveland Browns should have won the super bowl for the past 10 years and we know how that went.
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - HarleyDog - 07-21-2017
(07-21-2017, 03:27 AM)grampahol Wrote: Grading players on when they were drafted in college has always been misleading. Plenty of really great college players fizzle out before their first year in the NFL. A lot of high draft picks are chosen incorrectly anyway. I think that's where the phrase 'reaching' comes from. If it were all about 1st round talent the Cleveland Browns should have won the super bowl for the past 10 years and we know how that went.
And there you have it. The road always leads back to coaching.
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - Fan_in_Kettering - 07-21-2017
Draft status no longer matters the moment training camp begins.
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - bengalfan74 - 07-21-2017
(07-21-2017, 03:27 AM)grampahol Wrote: Grading players on when they were drafted in college has always been misleading. Plenty of really great college players fizzle out before their first year in the NFL. A lot of high draft picks are chosen incorrectly anyway. I think that's where the phrase 'reaching' comes from. If it were all about 1st round talent the Cleveland Browns should have won the super bowl for the past 10 years and we know how that went.
How many top 10 draft picks did we have in the 90's and early 00's ? How'd that work out ?
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - ochocincos - 07-21-2017
Maybe instead of giving him two top 10 WRs, a 2nd round WR, a 1st round TE, a 3rd round TE, and three 2nd round RBs, the Bengals should have invested 1-2 of those picks into a first or second round interior OL (preferably C).
RE: Skill players surrounding Andy - ochocincos - 07-21-2017
(07-19-2017, 06:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It's not like we have a bunch of UDFAs blocking for him either. We have two 1st rounders, a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. If they can liv up to their draft status this O could be prolific.
Who was the 3rd rounder?
Ogbuehi, Smith = 1st rounders
Fisher = 2nd rounder
Boling, Bodine = 4th rounders
Eric Winston was a 3rd rounder though, so maybe you meant him?