(12-20-2017, 11:07 AM)CageTheBengal Wrote: I don't know how people assume we are alone. I mean there are tons of planets out there are they just sitting their waiting for 1 race to discover them all?

(12-20-2017, 01:47 PM)hollodero Wrote: It's highly unlikely we are alone. It's also highly unlikely we'll ever meet an extraterrestrial species because of the speed of light barrier.

The notion there are UFOs around and government needs to look into it sounds a bit ridiculous to me. As does the idea of UFOs in general, showing up secretly and under the radar.

(12-20-2017, 02:52 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Speed of light barrier? You do realize that there may be a species out there that can travel faster than the speed of light, right? 

Us humans have the tech to travel faster than the speed of sound, so why would it be so unbelievable that a more intelligent life form has the capability to travel faster than the speed of light? 

(12-20-2017, 05:03 PM)hollodero Wrote: Well, first off if alien life exists, which seems quite likely, why should they be so much more intelligent. And the speed of light barrier is not equivalent to the speed of sound barrier - physical laws don't forbid exceeding that speed. They do regarding the speed of light. Maybe there's a way around it for beings far more intelligent then we are, maybe we oversaw something, but then again, maybe not. This fundamental law might just as well be actually fundamental.

I really would wonder why an uber-intelligent alien race would take decade-long efforts to fly around undetected, only for some lone pilots to occasionally spot. Why would they do that.

Nothing's probably completely unthinkable, but adding it all up the existence of alien UFOs just seems highly unlikely to me.

(12-20-2017, 06:49 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Think of how long our modern technology has existed for. Cellphones & personal computers roughly 30 years, and improving every day. Rocket technology 70 some years, same with nuclear. Cars just over a 100 years. Planes 90 some years. So basically all these advances of our technology, medicine, science, education mainly has been accelerating at a high pace in the last 200 years. Thats just a generalization too, not to get picky on numbers or anything. 

But lets say an alien intelligent species began their advances in those things 100,000 years ago, or 1 million years ago lets say. If we have advanced this far in 200 years, alien species could have been advancing for much much longer than we have.

Here is another idea I like to play with. Most scientists agree that an asteroid or comet ended the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Then from point on all life changed on earth that has led up to the current day. What if that asteroid or comet had hit 66 million years ago let's say. Granted its a very generic thought, but it would be possible that where we are at today as a civilization would have been 1 million years ago. 

Not trying to argue or anything, just throwing some other thoughts out there on this.

(12-21-2017, 01:02 AM)Jakeypoo Wrote: How freaky would it be if it wasn't alien life from another planet but from our own ocean?

(12-20-2017, 07:51 PM)hollodero Wrote:

Sure, you're right. The thought there could be more intelligent life forms than us in the universe is far from far fetched. If one looks around.

I still believe in the light speed barrier though, that might not be just a technological issue. And also that Aliens wouldn't play hide and seek with us if they were here. It's a long way from possible intelligent life in the universe to UFOs still.

(12-21-2017, 01:02 AM)Jakeypoo Wrote: How freaky would it be if it wasn't alien life from another planet but from our own ocean?

(12-21-2017, 11:32 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: What if the "aliens" are actually the same species as us. We were just placed on earth thousands of years ago by them and they just stop by occasionally to monitor us and see how we are doing. 

(12-20-2017, 06:49 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Think of how long our modern technology has existed for. Cellphones & personal computers roughly 30 years, and improving every day. Rocket technology 70 some years, same with nuclear. Cars just over a 100 years. Planes 90 some years. So basically all these advances of our technology, medicine, science, education mainly has been accelerating at a high pace in the last 200 years. Thats just a generalization too, not to get picky on numbers or anything. 

But lets say an alien intelligent species began their advances in those things 100,000 years ago, or 1 million years ago lets say. If we have advanced this far in 200 years, alien species could have been advancing for much much longer than we have.

Here is another idea I like to play with. Most scientists agree that an asteroid or comet ended the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Then from point on all life changed on earth that has led up to the current day. What if that asteroid or comet had hit 66 million years ago let's say. Granted its a very generic thought, but it would be possible that where we are at today as a civilization would have been 1 million years ago. 

Not trying to argue or anything, just throwing some other thoughts out there on this.

(12-21-2017, 11:32 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: What if the "aliens" are actually the same species as us. We were just placed on earth thousands of years ago by them and they just stop by occasionally to monitor us and see how we are doing. 

(12-24-2017, 12:04 PM)Beaker Wrote: Better yet...what if aliens are us. What if future humans have developed the ability to time travel? The "aliens" are humans from the future coming back to observe earlier history. They understand the consequences of messing with the timeline, so they avoid human contact at all costs to avoid messing up the future they currently reside in. Only since they are human, they have made a few mistakes like getting seen or crashing. This could also explain the government cover up that conspiracy theorists like to claim. Let's say the Roswell crash indeed happened. Maybe at least one of the occupants of the ship survived long enough to explain the time travel thing to the people who found the ship. The military then realized the real threat to humanity would be messing up the timeline by exposing the truth. Therefore they have kept the secret for humanity's sake.

(12-20-2017, 06:49 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Think of how long our modern technology has existed for. Cellphones & personal computers roughly 30 years, and improving every day. Rocket technology 70 some years, same with nuclear. Cars just over a 100 years. Planes 90 some years. So basically all these advances of our technology, medicine, science, education mainly has been accelerating at a high pace in the last 200 years. Thats just a generalization too, not to get picky on numbers or anything. 

But lets say an alien intelligent species began their advances in those things 100,000 years ago, or 1 million years ago lets say. If we have advanced this far in 200 years, alien species could have been advancing for much much longer than we have.

Here is another idea I like to play with. Most scientists agree that an asteroid or comet ended the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Then from point on all life changed on earth that has led up to the current day. What if that asteroid or comet had hit 66 million years ago let's say. Granted its a very generic thought, but it would be possible that where we are at today as a civilization would have been 1 million years ago. 

Not trying to argue or anything, just throwing some other thoughts out there on this.

(12-20-2017, 06:49 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Think of how long our modern technology has existed for. Cellphones & personal computers roughly 30 years, and improving every day. Rocket technology 70 some years, same with nuclear. Cars just over a 100 years. Planes 90 some years. So basically all these advances of our technology, medicine, science, education mainly has been accelerating at a high pace in the last 200 years. Thats just a generalization too, not to get picky on numbers or anything. 

(12-27-2017, 11:07 AM)Beaker Wrote: There is a line of thinking that humans have existed in their current form for over 100,000 years, and have had long stretches of history with very little technological advancement. There have also been periods of significant advancement interspersed among those long stretches. Some say aliens have always been among us and have provided those tech advances as humans have become more able to accept them. The huge tech leaps we have made in the 20th century were due to the fact that we had advanced enough in other areas of humanity that the aliens have felt we are at a place where those advances could be seamlessly integrated into our culture. In other words, we are not making all these amazing discoveries and advances all on our own.