(06-04-2018, 11:54 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I don’t understand not wanting Marvin in the FO? The difference between this franchise before and after his arrival can’t be overlooked. The guy knows football. I just don’t think he has whatever it is that makes a great game day coach. Whether it’s preparation, in game decisions, not having enough control of his players, or any other number of things. He could be an asset in evaluating talent though. He doesn’t have to necessarily be the GM, just another voice to help Tobin.

(06-05-2018, 12:51 AM)Bengalitis Wrote: Marvin kept us from being the Browns after we were the browns in the 90s. He deserves a lot of credit, and then have half of it removed for the stagnation and lack of playoffs wins and Lombardy.

(06-04-2018, 11:48 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I was just watching this morning's episode of Good Morning Football on NFL Network, and Nate Burleson said that the promise that he wants from any coach in the NFL this season is for Marvin to promise that, if we don't win a playoff game, he'll step away from the head coaching position and move into a front office position.

This made me just as confused as when people on here mention it.

We've given him 15 years and, yes, he did help change the culture and brought us some winning seasons, but he hasn't gotten us over the hump and what qualities has he shown that make anyone think that he can run the business side of things or is good at identifying talent?

I agree that he got Mike to make a lot of changes and give up a lot of power, but Mike's getting old and he's not going to want to have to deal with all that, so bring in a pro, not Marvin.

Of course, we could win a playoff game and make it an irrelevant point, but I think it's just a stupid thought to want him in the front office.

(06-05-2018, 01:21 AM)Bengal Dude Wrote: Marvin will be here until he wants to leave.

(06-04-2018, 11:48 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I was just watching this morning's episode of Good Morning Football on NFL Network, and Nate Burleson said that the promise that he wants from any coach in the NFL this season is for Marvin to promise that, if we don't win a playoff game, he'll step away from the head coaching position and move into a front office position.

This made me just as confused as when people on here mention it.

We've given him 15 years and, yes, he did help change the culture and brought us some winning seasons, but he hasn't gotten us over the hump and what qualities has he shown that make anyone think that he can run the business side of things or is good at identifying talent?

I agree that he got Mike to make a lot of changes and give up a lot of power, but Mike's getting old and he's not going to want to have to deal with all that, so bring in a pro, not Marvin.

Of course, we could win a playoff game and make it an irrelevant point, but I think it's just a stupid thought to want him in the front office.

(06-04-2018, 11:59 PM)The Real Deal Wrote: Nate Burleson is a self-absorbed tool. Right, wrong or indifferent who cares what he thinks.

(06-04-2018, 11:48 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I was just watching this morning's episode of Good Morning Football on NFL Network, and Nate Burleson said that the promise that he wants from any coach in the NFL this season is for Marvin to promise that, if we don't win a playoff game, he'll step away from the head coaching position and move into a front office position.

This made me just as confused as when people on here mention it.

We've given him 15 years and, yes, he did help change the culture and brought us some winning seasons, but he hasn't gotten us over the hump and what qualities has he shown that make anyone think that he can run the business side of things or is good at identifying talent?

I agree that he got Mike to make a lot of changes and give up a lot of power, but Mike's getting old and he's not going to want to have to deal with all that, so bring in a pro, not Marvin.

Of course, we could win a playoff game and make it an irrelevant point, but I think it's just a stupid thought to want him in the front office.

(06-05-2018, 09:31 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Also, how does anyone pay attention to anyone else on the show when Kay Adams is there?  :drool:

(06-05-2018, 12:09 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: I agree that this franchise has come a long way with Marvin, but who's to say that he would even be a fraction as good at evaluating talent as someone that's a professional at doing it?

I also don't know that he has developed his mind enough to evaluate talent in the modern age of college football or what's needed to be a quality NFL player.  

I also think he was becoming burnt-out prior to this season, but I think the new coaches and apparent change in culture has him rejuvenated.  

Maybe he would be a good evaluator of talent for draft picks, but I think maybe only for defense, and also consider how many busts we've had under Marvin, which it's not as many as before he was here, but that's not setting the bar very high.

(06-05-2018, 07:48 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I will say that Marvin has shown no apparent interest in such a position, but I don't think he was retiring in the so-called succession plan with Hue Jackson.  I think one of his biggest strengths is talent evaluation.  He would make a fine front office assistant GM or something, but I wouldn't want Marvin being the one to do contracts or be their cap-ologist.  That is way out of his league.  The thing is, how much would Marvin be compensated for such a position?  And wouldn't a future head coach rather not be handed players selected by the guy he replaced?

I don't know, but I don't see that position approaching anything close to what he made as a coach and I don't know how much he would want such a position for a salary likely under a million.