(11-03-2018, 11:38 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Hello all,

I feel like the Bye Week is a good time for this so I'll start with the defense. If it is well received, I'll do the offense.

I think the ratings show that our defensive line is pretty good. The Linebackers are pretty bad. Our Safeties are good. And our CB's are mediocre...which for having 3 1st Round picks is bad.

DL - DI:
Atkins - 89.2 - High Quality - #11 DI. He was rated as Elite for most of the season. 90+ is elite.
Billings - 73.7 - #27 DI. Ranks as Good. (He's MUCH BETTER than people give him credit for. He's kind of our modern day Peko as people see no sacks and think he's bad.)
Glasgow - Was rated 84.1 which is High Quality - HUGE LOSS.
Hubbard - 53.5 - #101 DI. Ranks as Average. He's had some nice splash plays on the year, but his rating shows he's struggled overall.
Washington - 73.4 in his limited play this season.

DL - ED
Dunlap - 78.5 - Good - #17 Edge
Willis - 62.9 - Above Average - #67 Edge - He's been kind of disappointing this year.
Lawson - 79.3 - #13 ED - HUGE loss losing him for the year. While he didn't get sacks, he got good pressure.
MJ - 54.2 - #99 Edge - He's struggling this year and with the loss of Lawson, MJ will be relied on more. Probably should have moved on from him in the offseason.

LB - Clearly this group of players is struggling and bringing down the overall defense. Really no one on this group looks stellar.
Vigil 69.2 - #23 LB
Evans 57.7 - #53 LB
Burfict 60.7 - Not enough snaps to be rated. He's struggled so far this season. 60.7 is WAY BELOW his standard.
Brown - 52.8 - #65 LB. He's putting up decent tackle stats...but 52.8 is not a good rating overall.
Nickerson 41.8 - #77 LB. Wow...his rating is way below what we need out of him.

CB
Kirkpatrick - 62.3 - #59 CB. He's been ranked higher for most of the year and dropped a lot lately.
Dennard - 61.9 - #62 CB.
Jackson - 64.4 - #52 CB. Really disappointing as he was rated extremely high last season. I guess he's been exposed in full-time play as a starter.
Note: It considers ratings in the 60's as above average, but you figure each team has 2 starters...and if our starters rank in the 50's and 60's...then that's not good.
Phillips - 56.8 in limited play.

Safety
Williams - 63.2 - #57 Safety.
Fej - 91.0 - Not enough snaps to be rated...but 91.0 ranks as Elite. He has the highest rating of any defender on our team. HE NEEDS TO PLAY MORE!
Bates - 83.8 - #4 Safety - High Quality.

(11-03-2018, 11:38 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Fej - 91.0 - Not enough snaps to be rated...but 91.0 ranks as Elite. He has the highest rating of any defender on our team. HE NEEDS TO PLAY MORE!

(11-03-2018, 11:59 PM)hollodero Wrote: OK, overall that seems to show what many thought anyway. I just have one minor question.


So 91.0 and not enough snaps to be rated... so why is he rated? My question is a bit less dull than that, I see him having not much playtime and he also had that one huge play - that probably contributes to that rating in a pretty overproportional manner. I don't know how PFF rates, but using that elite tag seems grossly distorted.

(11-03-2018, 11:59 PM)hollodero Wrote: OK, overall that seems to show what many thought anyway. I just have one minor question.


So 91.0 and not enough snaps to be rated... so why is he rated? My question is a bit less dull than that, I see him having not much playtime and he also had that one huge play - that probably contributes to that rating in a pretty overproportional manner. I don't know how PFF rates, but using that elite tag seems grossly distorted.

(11-04-2018, 12:12 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Not going to argue too much with any of those ratings, but I think Dunlap should be higher. He’s on pace for 14 sacks, and has been more consistent than Geno, imo.

(11-04-2018, 12:18 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Well, being strictly based on our 2nd round pick, Bates - 83.8 - #4 Safety - High Quality. I'm going to make a strong suggestion that the Bengals start trading all of their 1st round picks for 2nd round picks, as Jesse and Joe are doing well and John Ross and Billy Price continue to be injured, and not available for service.

That seems to be a trend. Just look at Jackson, Dennard, Kirkpatrick, Eifert, Andre Smith...

(11-04-2018, 12:18 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Well, being strictly based on our 2nd round pick, Bates - 83.8 - #4 Safety - High Quality.  I'm going to make a strong suggestion that the Bengals start trading all of their 1st round picks for 2nd round picks, as Jesse and Joe are doing well and John Ross and Billy Price continue to be injured, and not available for service.

That seems to be a trend.  Just look at Jackson, Dennard, Kirkpatrick, Eifert, Andre Smith...

(11-04-2018, 12:30 AM)Circleville Guy Wrote: I don’t know how their grades work, Geno May very well get points for when he’s double teamed too.

(11-04-2018, 12:54 AM)Synric Wrote: Hubbard has been playing a lot of defensive tackle since Glasgow was hurt.

(11-04-2018, 12:51 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The offense will be interesting. Dalton is raked 84.1 which is #8 QB overall.

Mixon 66.0 which is the 35th HB. I think people will be surprised by that.

(11-04-2018, 12:54 AM)Synric Wrote: Hubbard has been playing a lot of defensive tackle since Glasgow was hurt.

(11-04-2018, 12:08 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: In other words, it avoids having spot players that do well from skewing the overall rankings of players that see significant action. (outliers)

(11-04-2018, 12:49 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think, in general fans tend to look for Sacks and Interceptions to see if guys are performing. They also look at Tackles. PFF takes more than that into account.

Geno is double-teamed constantly. Fans that expect him to put up 12+ sacks yearly...1st DT's typically don't put up big sack totals. 2nd...he's doubled-teamed constantly.

(11-04-2018, 12:54 AM)Synric Wrote: Hubbard has been playing a lot of defensive tackle since Glasgow was hurt.

(11-04-2018, 12:32 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: We seem to really crush it in the 2nd rd...

Bates
Mixon
Boyd
Gio
Zeitler
Dalton
Dunlap

Fisher has really been our only miss in recent years.