(12-05-2018, 03:05 PM)eoxyod Wrote: I mean he doesn't have the worst track record with 1st round picks. And he is limited in being able to do things such as sign free agents due to the rest of the front office being run by dumbasses

But just first round picks going back to 2011 which is where his influence may have been felt by the team you have:
AJ - HIT
Kirkpatrick - good enough? Not bad but not the greatest
Zeitler - HIT
Eifert - Unlucky to have the injury problems but still probably a hit from a personnel standpoint
Dennard - Miss
Ogbuehi - Loloololololol
WJ3 - HIT
Ross - At least a good player when people get their heads out of their asses and see the things he can do if we had a QB that could hit him
Price - Miss so far

That's not a terrible track record, and he's still had some hits and misses otherwise obviously. But, he cannot be blamed for Sanu, Jones, Whit, and Zeitler leaving in free agency. In fact it only puts more pressure on him to have to hit every single draft, and the draft is a huge crapshoot after the first round (And generally). Teams have really bad drafts sometimes. Getting a few good players is striking gold. That being said the 2014-15 drafts loom large and overall have hurt the team. But when there has been success outside of that it is hard to put a ton of blame on the guy. He had the right strategy in drafting 2 OTs, it just worked out terribly

(12-05-2018, 03:52 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: Wait why can't he be blamed for Jones, Zeitler, and Whitworth? He is the defacto GM of the team the guy should be held responsible for those losses in free agency.

(12-05-2018, 02:47 PM)impactplaya Wrote: this 3 yr playoff drought you can put at the feet of the 2014 to 2017 drafts.
no ELITE players at all.
swung and missed on 1st RD picks...not that hard to name.
letting Whitworth walk compounded with the failures of the OTs drafted has really set this franchise back.
not finding game changing defensive stalwarts...check.
should I include passing on Mahomes?

(12-05-2018, 03:05 PM)eoxyod Wrote: I mean he doesn't have the worst track record with 1st round picks. And he is limited in being able to do things such as sign free agents due to the rest of the front office being run by dumbasses

But just first round picks going back to 2011 which is where his influence may have been felt by the team you have:
AJ - HIT
Kirkpatrick - good enough? Not bad but not the greatest
Zeitler - HIT
Eifert - Unlucky to have the injury problems but still probably a hit from a personnel standpoint
Dennard - Miss
Ogbuehi - Loloololololol
WJ3 - HIT
Ross - At least a good player when people get their heads out of their asses and see the things he can do if we had a QB that could hit him
Price - Miss so far

That's not a terrible track record, and he's still had some hits and misses otherwise obviously. But, he cannot be blamed for Sanu, Jones, Whit, and Zeitler leaving in free agency. In fact it only puts more pressure on him to have to hit every single draft, and the draft is a huge crapshoot after the first round (And generally). Teams have really bad drafts sometimes. Getting a few good players is striking gold. That being said the 2014-15 drafts loom large and overall have hurt the team. But when there has been success outside of that it is hard to put a ton of blame on the guy. He had the right strategy in drafting 2 OTs, it just worked out terribly

(12-05-2018, 02:47 PM)impactplaya Wrote: this 3 yr playoff drought you can put at the feet of the 2014 to 2017 drafts.
no ELITE players at all.
swung and missed on 1st RD picks...not that hard to name.
letting Whitworth walk compounded with the failures of the OTs drafted has really set this franchise back.
not finding game changing defensive stalwarts...check.
should I include passing on Mahomes?

(12-05-2018, 02:47 PM)impactplaya Wrote: this 3 yr playoff drought you can put at the feet of the 2014 to 2017 drafts.
no ELITE players at all.
swung and missed on 1st RD picks...not that hard to name.
letting Whitworth walk compounded with the failures of the OTs drafted has really set this franchise back.
not finding game changing defensive stalwarts...check.
should I include passing on Mahomes?

(12-05-2018, 03:05 PM)eoxyod Wrote: Ross - At least a good player when people get their heads out of their asses and see the things he can do if we had a QB that could hit him

(12-05-2018, 08:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You think if we let our QBs punch Ross then he wouldn't quit on routes?

That's a bit harsh.

(12-05-2018, 08:28 PM)McC Wrote: I've seen him under thrown and over thrown more than I've seen him quit on routes.  And they just have zero creativity in getting him the ball, which does not include sending him deep down the sidelines over and over again.

(12-05-2018, 08:39 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Slants, quick outs, and crossing routes would make sense. Get the man the ball, with the opportunity to use his physical talent to make a man miss.  We can't be the only people who have ever thought of something like that.  Maybe they have tried, and he just doesn't get it?

(12-05-2018, 08:39 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Slants, quick outs, and crossing routes would make sense. Get the man the ball, with the opportunity to use his physical talent to make a man miss.  We can't be the only people who have ever thought of something like that.  Maybe they have tried, and he just doesn't get it?