(02-13-2020, 04:45 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Thuney, Glasgow, Scherff would all be great for us at Guard. Glasgow is probably the most likely and he has not been
hurt as much as Scherff lately. Think I would pass on some of these older guys with injuries for someone who hasn't
been injured much. But I am not picky.

Conklin might be the most spendy but man, dude would be worth it to solidify the RT spot. Feiler would be a nice grab
if he can man the RT spot and we would be stealing him from the stealers.

(02-11-2020, 12:23 AM)lone bengal Wrote: I don't want any aging lineman in there 30's we should be in rebuild mode and putting a young core together. Conklin is an ideal tackle prospect for us, good and only 26, however he will be the top RT free agent and I doubt the Bengals will win a bidding war for him. Castonzo is good but will be 32 when the season starts and plays LT which Williams plays. Bulaga will be 31 when the season starts and has had numerous injures throughout his career including 2 ACL tears in 2013 and 2017. I would be fine with Bulaga as a stop gap RT for two years if the money made sense. I love Tuney and Scheifff both good and only 27. I figure they'll both get big contacts too much for the Bengals. I think the player who makes the most sense for the Bengals is Graham Glaslow. Glasslow is a good guard and only 27, plus his brother Ryan plays for the Bengals which might give him extra incentive to sign here. Glaslow could possibly fly under the radar in free agency and be had at a good deal. Logic is guys like Scheiff, Tuney will get signed first and teams will spend big on premium positions like QB, CB , Tackle and pass rushers.

(02-17-2020, 11:49 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Agreed on all points.  If I really want to improve the team, I am starting on the lines...

If I try to look at this through Bengal-vision:

I think they see Fred Johnson as legitimate competition at RT for Hart, who finished with a below average grade, but did show improvement over 2018.  Hart also stayed healthy and is still yet to turn 26 years old.  Heading in to his third year as a starter, I honestly don't think Hart is the disaster many make him out to be.  With Burrow's better pocket feel and mobility, the entire offensive line could look much better than with Dalton, who always seemed to roll out to the right side.  Hart is the likely starter at RT with FJ as a backup to both RT and LT.

Speaking of LT, Williams will be essentially a rookie, but a year off rehab he will be stronger and his body will have had a chance to recover from the so-called rookie hangover (where rookies go from long season, to bowl game, to training for combine, to combine, to OTAs, etc.  Williams is our guy at LT.  He will have Johnson and Prince as the likely backups.

LG is a huge question mark:  Do they continue to ride with Jordan?  Is he too tall to be a successful Guard?  He didn't rank too poorly in sacks allowed and penalties, but when you consider the number of snaps, his overall ranking was well below average.  I'm sure he should be stronger after year 1 and he had time to recover from the aforementioned rookie fatigue, but I don't know if I see him as a strong starter.  Huge potential for upgrade.  Andrew Whitworth, anyone?  He just opened the door if the Rams don't come through.  So, we know there is no grudge here.  I think there is no lose for the Bengals.  The contract would likely be half of what a Thuney or Sherff would get due to age.  I think this would be fantastic.  You have Jordan and Price as backups. 

Center is Hopkins position with Hart and Jordan as potential backups.  

RG is the position that should have a draft pick designed to replace Miller, a stop-gap at best.  There are a lot of guards in the draft that could be suitable long-term replacements and might even push Miller out of the starting lineup and make him expendable a year early. I won't go in to who should be drafted here, that is a topic for the draft boards, but I can see a draft pick being utilized here.  Likely a 4th rounder or 3rd if they can get an additional pick sliding back in rd 2.

So, there you have it.  I would imagine they will draft a RG with a FA acquisition like Whitworth not only working from a budgetary standpoint, but also from a leadership standpoint.  Whit could be an outstanding LG, and I think he would actually like to come back and play with Burrow.  

I would love to see a local guy like Thuney come back to Cincinnati, but I think the Bengals will spend that money to secure Green and Mixon (not sure I agree with that, but I am trying to think what they will do).  I don't see them parting ways with Dre K, but they should, or at least get a renegotiation out of him.  The problem is, he would likely have plenty of suitors to give him a new contract if released, and the Bengals would get nothing.  Hopefully, the Bengals find a trade partner for Dalton, and release that $17 million to their FA pool, along with releasing Cordy Glenn, or trading him if you can get anything for him.  Offers will likely be tendered to Billings, Vigil, Fej, and Dennard.   I can't see any huge FA acquisitions on the defensive side of the ball.  

In a nutshell, Whit and a draft pick, plus Williams coming back from injury, could pay huge dividends in 2020.  If you add a speedy route-runner that can get open quickly, I think that the offense could be night and day from 2019.  It was the perfect storm last year and they clearly suffered for it.  The three game trial of Ryan "noodles" Finley was a disaster.  Outside of those games, the offense was below average with no AJ Green, no LT, and a scheme that seemed to forget how to use Joe Mixon until the season was already over.  

(02-17-2020, 11:49 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: In a nutshell, Whit and a draft pick, plus Williams coming back from injury, could pay huge dividends in 2020.  If you add a speedy route-runner that can get open quickly, I think that the offense could be night and day from 2019.  It was the perfect storm last year and they clearly suffered for it.  The three game trial of Ryan "noodles" Finley was a disaster.  Outside of those games, the offense was below average with no AJ Green, no LT, and a scheme that seemed to forget how to use Joe Mixon until the season was already over.  

(02-18-2020, 06:39 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Great post, all for bringing back Whit at LG as I stated in the thread in JN. He would of still been our best player on the OL
last season even if he fell off a bit and moving to Guard might help elongate his career. Still think we need to get a LB in FA
like Trevathan, Jamie Collins or Littleton. We will have the money after moving Dalton and Glenn's salaries.

Agreed on the guys we need to bring back as well. This is all likely even if I would rather get a younger Lineman like the 
ones we listed. Draft a RG like Biadasz in the 3rd. I agree that Hart hasn't been as bad as lots of people make out and from
all accounts Fred Johnson played very good in limited action, might of got a steal here. Heard the dude is huge.

Not all good Lineman have to be drafted early as history has shown. There are always diamonds in the rough.

(02-19-2020, 08:23 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Johnson held up very well last year, and I think he is hungry.  Kind of the opposite of Cordy Glenn.  I agree with what you are saying about drafting another G, but I think Biadasz will be long gone by our third round pick...then again, it could happen.  

Do you really think Green won't be retained?  I could absolutely make a business case for it, but I don't see any way the Bengals let him leave.  

(03-02-2020, 10:44 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: Washington is going to franchise tag Scherff.

(02-24-2020, 04:52 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Good players fall every year and we are at the top of the 3rd. You didn't think Orlando Brown would fall as far as he did either 
remember Racer? On AJ, I expect us to either sign him to an incentive laden contract or tag and trade him. At least this is what
I hope happens. Just don't want us to tag him and have him sit hurt for 18 mil.

(03-03-2020, 09:02 AM)Au165 Wrote: The reports that Thuney wants 15 a year have me out. I would rather have Glasgow at a little bit of a discount. The other option is Trai Turner who the Panthers are shopping, if you could get him for say a 3rd I'd be all over him.

(03-03-2020, 10:01 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Yep

I'd love to see AJ stay and be able to help Burrow it would be great....if he can stay on the field ? AJ will be 32 when the season starts, still a youngin by normal standards. But entering old NFL age. If he stays I sure hope he isn't riding the pine all season.

(03-03-2020, 09:02 AM)Au165 Wrote: The reports that Thuney wants 15 a year have me out. I would rather have Glasgow at a little bit of a discount. The other option is Trai Turner who the Panthers are shopping, if you could get him for say a 3rd I'd be all over him.

(03-04-2020, 01:07 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Doesn't he have a history of injuries/concussions? And over a 9mil cap hit? I'd pass