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Dunlap not starting this week - Bengalholic - 10-08-2020
Carlos Dunlap talking like he is no longer the starter at DE. Sounding quite frustrated here on Zoom.
— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) October 8, 2020
Carlos Dunlap says the depth chart has shifted and he's not starting this week. #Bengals
— Jay Morrison (@JayMorrisonATH) October 8, 2020
"We've got a good gameplan. I'd like to be a part of it."
Dunlap said: "You would think common decency would be something like that. ... Evidently I didn't make enough tackles in the run game." #Bengals
— Laurel Pfahler (@LaurelPfahler) October 8, 2020
Carlos Dunlap on Bengals defense: "I have to figure out the madness that they are doing." #Bengals
— Tyler Dragon (@TheTylerDragon) October 8, 2020
RE: Dunlap not starting? - Au165 - 10-08-2020
(10-08-2020, 02:28 PM)Bengalholic Wrote:Carlos Dunlap talking like he is no longer the starter at DE. Sounding quite frustrated here on Zoom.
— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) October 8, 2020
Carlos Dunlap says the depth chart has shifted and he's not starting this week. #Bengals
— Jay Morrison (@JayMorrisonATH) October 8, 2020
"We've got a good gameplan. I'd like to be a part of it."
I'm all for it. Carl Lawson is playing at a really high level right now and if he proves himself he and Sam Hubbard are the future. Dunlap almost was traded last year from what I was told, I could see a team like Dallas or Seattle looking to add him before the deadline.
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - lone bengal - 10-08-2020
But but... everyone says he’s a PFF superstar when you criticize Dunlap and PFF is always right !
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - Au165 - 10-08-2020
(10-08-2020, 02:30 PM)lone bengal Wrote: But but... everyone says he’s a PFF superstar when you criticize Dunlap and PFF is always right !
He is a 55 on PFF, not sure who is saying he is a superstar.
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - bengaloo - 10-08-2020
Dunlap has been a very good player for us for a long time, but he is getting older and Lawson seems to be playing at a higher level this year. This could end up being better for both of them and the entire defense. Coming in with fresh legs as primarily a pass rusher might actually help him. He aint no spring chicken at this point. I'm sure its frustrating, but this is the NFL. Youth eventually wins out over the older vets.
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - THE Bigzoman - 10-08-2020
Bengals don’t know how to demote vets.
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - pally - 10-08-2020
you don't put in the effort at practice and it comes back to bite you. Carlos is one of the best when he wants to be. But, he has always been inconsistant
Perhaps they felt like Dunlap might need this for some motivation. We saw last year when his production was night and day the first half and the second half. Right or wrong, the motivation element has followed Dunlap throughout his career.
— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) October 8, 2020
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - J24 - 10-08-2020
He lead the team in tackles against Philly and was coming off a 70 performance against the Jaguars. While Lawson is better than him at this point I see no point in humiliating Dunlap by publicly benching him and honestly he still going to be playing a ton still; So what was the point in doing so?
All they had to do was tell Him that they are going to limit his snaps and this wouldn't be a big deal at all.
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - bengaloo - 10-08-2020
(10-08-2020, 02:31 PM)Au165 Wrote: He is a 55 on PFF, not sure who is saying he is a superstar.
And Lawson is like 70+ pff isnt he?
I love Carlos but its time to do something different. Maybe this lights a fire under his butt.
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - pally - 10-08-2020
(10-08-2020, 02:40 PM)J24 Wrote: He lead the team in tackles against Philly and was coming off a 70 performance against the Jaguars. While Lawson is better than him at this point I see no point in humiliating Dunlap by publicly benching him and honestly he still going to be playing a ton still; So what was the point in doing so?
All they had to do was tell Him that they are going to limit his snaps and this wouldn't be a big deal at all.
we've only heard one side of the story. Maybe, they've been warning him all along and this is the culmination of it
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - sandwedge - 10-08-2020
(10-08-2020, 02:35 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: Bengals don’t know how to demote vets.
Maybe Carlos is aware now that Lawson and Hubbard are out performing him he will kick it up and stop loafing. Not sure it's the Bengals job to hold his hand or any other vets for that matter.
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - Aquapod770 - 10-08-2020
Dunlap has been hot garbage to invisible at best this year. Maybe he should stop crying and try to play better.
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - Au165 - 10-08-2020
So one thought I had, I saw Dunlap say "They got a great gameplan for stopping the run this week, I just wish I was part of it". I wonder with Geno back (potentially) if we could see a more tradiional 3-4 look standing Hubbard and Lawson up to play more of an outside contain on Jackson with Covington/Rader/Geno playing as the down linemen? To me the timing of this seems interesting coming off the team performance last week, which makes me wonder if it is schematical as much as performance. He mentions he will still be a 3rd down rusher, which is most likely from a more traditional four man front.
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - lone bengal - 10-08-2020
(10-08-2020, 02:31 PM)Au165 Wrote: He is a 55 on PFF, not sure who is saying he is a superstar.
When some fans criticized him for not playing well some people referred to his great PFF ratings from last season saying he was one of our best defensive players. Not saying he’s a bad player but he’s been somewhat overrated in my opinion. Had some big games against some bad teams but dosen’t seem to make big plays when we need him too. Big picture he’s not part of the future of this team long term.
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - jj22 - 10-08-2020
They should trade him (along with Green, and Atkins), but they won't because the FO really doesn't know how to stockpile picks like a team who "builds through the draft". This won't end well. But maybe it's a sign of the vets not returning next season (and them getting nothing for them).
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - Pat5775 - 10-08-2020
I like the move, but I don’t like how they handled it. Zac has been preaching the importance of communication since the day he was hired. Much like they mishandled benching Andy last year, I don’t see very effective communication happening.
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - ochocincos - 10-08-2020
As much as I've liked Dunlap over the years, I'm happy another DE has done enough to even be considered as the starter.
We should want young guys pushing these old vets, especially if the vet is under-performing.
For too many seasons we've seen the team having to rely on Dunlap and Atkins to get any kind of production. Michael Johnson too back before he went to TB.
Think of all the DL draft picks they made since Atkins/Dunlap/MJ excluding Lawson and Hubbard:
- Moch (bad)
- Still (bad)
- Thompson (meh at best)
- Hunt (bad)
- Clarke (bad)
- Hardison (bad)
- Billings (solid NT but not a great pass rusher, replaced with Reader)
- Willis (bad)
- Glasgow (meh)
- Andrew Brown (we'll see, but not there yet)
- Wren (we'll see, but not there yet)
- Kareem (we'll see)
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - BrownAssClown - 10-08-2020
When I first read the headline of this thread I thought Carlos had injured himself somehow. I guess if he's not getting the job done it's time to grab some bench and maybe start others in his place. As mentioned above maybe it will light a fire in him to play better but it could be a matter of "father time" catching up with him.
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - Bengalholic - 10-08-2020
#Bengals edge rusher run stop percentage this year (run snaps):
— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) October 8, 2020
Carl Lawson (58): 10.3%
Sam Hubbard (89): 9.0%
Carlos Dunlap (73): 6.8%
Khalid Kareem (21): 4.8%
Via @PFF, stop constitutes tackle for offensive failure.
Those would be your key numbers in a decision like this.
RE: Dunlap not starting this week - PikesPeakUC - 10-08-2020
Starter or not, you're still going to see a ton of reps as a defensive lineman on most NFL teams. To say he's not part of the gameplan seems a little misleading. I'm a Dunlap fan, and still am, but you have to imagine that this is probably his last year in stripes.