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Rank our OTs - bfine32 - 07-04-2022
We move back to the offense and rank the duo that get paid to protect The Franchise. Last year we had Jonah and Riley mid-lower pack:
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Rank-our-OTs
So where we got Jonah and The Bodyguard?
As always, the competition:
ARZ- DJ HUMPHRIES/ KELVIN BEECHAM
ATL- JAKE MATTHEWS/ KALEB MCGARY
BAL- RONNIE STALEY/ MORGAN MOSES
BUF- DION DAWKINS/ SPENCER BROWN
CAR- IKEM EKWONU/ TAYLOR MOTON
CHI- TEVIN JENKINS/ LARRY BOROM
CLV- JEDRICK WILLS/ JACK CONKLIN
DAL- TYRON SMITH/ TERRENCE STEELE
DEN- GARRETT BOLLES/ BILLY TURNER
DET- TAYLOR DECKER/ PENEII SEWELL
GBP-DAVID BAKHTIARI/ ELGTON JENKINS
HOU- LAREMY TUNSIL/ TYTUS HOWARD
IND- MATT PRYOR/ BRADEN SMITH
JAX- CAM ROBINSON/ JAWAAN TAYLOR
KCC- ORLANDO BROWN/ ANDEW WYLIE
LVR- KOLTON MILLER/ ALEX LEATHERWOOD
LAC- RASHAAN SLATER/ STORM NORTON
LAR- JOE NOTEBOOM/ ROB HAVERSTIEN
MIA- TERRON ARMSTEAD/ LIAM EICHENBERG
MIN- CHRISTIAN DARRISAW/ BRIAN ONELL
NEP- ISAIAH WYNN/ TRENT BROWN
NOS- JAMES HURST/ RYAN RAMCYZK
NYG- ANDREW THOMAS/ EVAN NEAL
NYJ- GEORGE FANT/ MEKHI BECTON
PHI- JORDAN MAILATA/ LANE JOHNSON
PIT- DAN MOORE/ CHUKWOMA OKURAFOR
SEA- CHARLES CROSS/ JAKE CURHAN
SFF- TRENT WILLIAMS/ MIKE MCGLINCHY
TBB- DONOVAN SMITH/ TRISTAN WIRFS
TEN- TAYLOR LEWAN/ DILLON RADUNZ
WAS- CHARLES LENO/ SAM COSMI
RE: Rank our OTs - Nicomo Cosca - 07-04-2022
I voted 7-12, but if Jonah can take another step forward they could easily move into the top tier.
RE: Rank our OTs - J24 - 07-04-2022
7-12 right now but I think Williams will take another step this season!
RE: Rank our OTs - CJD - 07-04-2022
Teams that are definitely ranked above us:
Cleveland
Detroit
Green Bay
Indianapolis
Minnesota
Philadelphia
San Francisco
Tampa Bay
Teams that are arguably above us, especially if prospects work out/injuries don't occur:
Baltimore
Buffalo
Carolina
Miami
New England
New Orleans
New York Giants
New York Jets
Tennessee
If we assume Jonah Williams takes a step forward and closes the gap between us and the 9 teams listed in the second group above, I think we just barely edge into the 7-12 group.
We'll have to see how Collins works out for us. I know a lot of Cowboys fans insisted that he was a weakness for them last year, despite good PFF numbers. So we'll have to see if that is just bitterness or if there's a grain of truth to it.
RE: Rank our OTs - Nicomo Cosca - 07-04-2022
(07-04-2022, 05:03 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Teams that are definitely ranked above us:
Cleveland
Detroit
Green Bay
Indianapolis
Minnesota
Philadelphia
San Francisco
Tampa Bay
Teams that are arguably above us, especially if prospects work out/injuries don't occur:
Baltimore
Buffalo
Carolina
Miami
New England
New Orleans
New York Giants
New York Jets
Tennessee
If we assume Jonah Williams takes a step forward and closes the gap between us and the 9 teams listed in the second group above, I think we just barely edge into the 7-12 group.
We'll have to see how Collins works out for us. I know a lot of Cowboys fans insisted that he was a weakness for them last year, despite good PFF numbers. So we'll have to see if that is just bitterness or if there's a grain of truth to it.
Eichenberg was terrible last year, and Becton is a huge question mark with his work ethic concerns. The Bengals have a way better tandem than both those teams right now.
I’d also take both Jonah and Collins over Moses, so I’d have us ahead of Baltimore as well.
RE: Rank our OTs - bfine32 - 07-04-2022
(07-04-2022, 05:03 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Teams that are definitely ranked above us:Indy's LT is a 6th RD journeyman with 13 starts in a 4-year career
Cleveland
Detroit
Green Bay
Indianapolis
Minnesota
Philadelphia
San Francisco
Tampa Bay
Teams that are arguably above us, especially if prospects work out/injuries don't occur:
Baltimore
Buffalo
Carolina
Miami
New England
New Orleans
New York Giants
New York Jets
Tennessee
If we assume Jonah Williams takes a step forward and closes the gap between us and the 9 teams listed in the second group above, I think we just barely edge into the 7-12 group.
We'll have to see how Collins works out for us. I know a lot of Cowboys fans insisted that he was a weakness for them last year, despite good PFF numbers. So we'll have to see if that is just bitterness or if there's a grain of truth to it.
Minny's LT is a second-year player who didn't do much his first year
RE: Rank our OTs - bengalfan74 - 07-04-2022
We're easily in the 7-12 range and like has been said if Jonah improves a bit we're in the top rank.
RE: Rank our OTs - TecmoBengals - 07-04-2022
Let's see them get some real game action together, then we can talk top six based on how they play.
RE: Rank our OTs - bfine32 - 07-04-2022
(07-04-2022, 06:32 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Let's see them get some real game action together, then we can talk top six based on how they play.
We're not ranking the Oline, we're ranking the LTs. We've seen them play. It's not a "How will Jonah and Jax do on the left side".
RE: Rank our OTs - psychdoctor - 07-04-2022
I think Collins is difference maker for Bengals. Jonah has been steady but does give up frequent sacks. I never thought OT was the problem with the Bengals OL. I always thought guard was issue. OFC, not counting Hart disaster. I went with 7-12.
RE: Rank our OTs - wanga - 07-04-2022
7-12 for me as well but potentially could go a lot higher.
RE: Rank our OTs - TecmoBengals - 07-05-2022
(07-04-2022, 06:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: We're not ranking the Oline, we're ranking the LTs. We've seen them play. It's not a "How will Jonah and Jax do on the left side".
Whoooosh! My bad, failure by me with the lazy reading.
RE: Rank our OTs - Luvnit2 - 07-05-2022
(07-04-2022, 03:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: We move back to the offense and rank the duo that get paid to protect The Franchise. Last year we had Jonah and Riley mid-lower pack:
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Rank-our-OTs
So where we got Jonah and The Bodyguard?
As always, the competition:
ARZ- DJ HUMPHRIES/ KELVIN BEECHAM
ATL- JAKE MATTHEWS/ KALEB MCGARY
BAL- RONNIE STALEY/ MORGAN MOSES
BUF- DION DAWKINS/ SPENCER BROWN
CAR- IKEM EKWONU/ TAYLOR MOTON
CHI- TEVIN JENKINS/ LARRY BOROM
CLV- JEDRICK WILLS/ JACK CONKLIN
DAL- TYRON SMITH/ TERRENCE STEELE
DEN- GARRETT BOLLES/ BILLY TURNER
DET- TAYLOR DECKER/ PENEII SEWELL
GBP-DAVID BAKHTIARI/ ELGTON JENKINS
HOU- LAREMY TUNSIL/ TYTUS HOWARD
IND- MATT PRYOR/ BRADEN SMITH
JAX- CAM ROBINSON/ JAWAAN TAYLOR
KCC- ORLANDO BROWN/ ANDEW WYLIE
LVR- KOLTON MILLER/ ALEX LEATHERWOOD
LAC- RASHAAN SLATER/ STORM NORTON
LAR- JOE NOTEBOOM/ ROB HAVERSTIEN
MIA- TERRON ARMSTEAD/ LIAM EICHENBERG
ONELLMIN- CHRISTIAN DARRISAW/ BRIAN
NEP- ISAIAH WYNN/ TRENT BROWN
NOS- JAMES HURST/ RYAN RAMCYZK
NYG- ANDREW THOMAS/ EVAN NEAL
NYJ- GEORGE FANT/ MEKHI BECTON
PHI- JORDAN MAILATA/ LANE JOHNSON
PIT- DAN MOORE/ CHUKWOMA OKURAFOR
SEA- CHARLES CROSS/ JAKE CURHAN
SFF- TRENT WILLIAMS/ MIKE MCGLINCHY
TBB- DONOVAN SMITH/ TRISTAN WIRFS
TEN- TAYLOR LEWAN/ DILLON RADUNZ
WAS- CHARLES LENO/ SAM COSMI
I hav in top half, but could see them being top 10 if Collins stays healthy and Jonah keeps improving
RE: Rank our OTs - Whatever - 07-05-2022
The Bengals are one of 7 teams in the league that had both starting T's rated 75+. Of those 7, only the Eagles and Bucs had a higher combined grade. Based on PFF rating, Jonah and Collins are a Top 3 T duo and solidly within the Top 5.
RE: Rank our OTs - Frank Booth - 07-05-2022
possibly a top 5 tackle duo
RE: Rank our OTs - Synric - 07-05-2022
(07-04-2022, 06:05 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Indy's LT is a 6th RD journeyman with 13 starts in a 4-year career
Minny's LT is a second-year player who didn't do much his first year
He started over half the season and was only ok which is expected from a rookie especially coming off whatever injury that caused him to miss the first 4 or 5 games. Honestly he looked as good as Jonah Williams.
RE: Rank our OTs - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 07-05-2022
(07-04-2022, 03:43 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I voted 7-12, but if Jonah can take another step forward they could easily move into the top tier.
Same, I see Jonah getting much better too and La'el could end up being the best RT in the NFL. Dude is crazy talented.
BEAST! Great pick up for our Offense.
RE: Rank our OTs - Nicomo Cosca - 07-05-2022
(07-05-2022, 05:46 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Same, I see Jonah getting much better too and La'el could end up being the best RT in the NFL. Dude is crazy talented.
BEAST! Great pick up for our Offense.
I think that’s going to be Wirfs for quite a while, but Collins should be our best RT since Willie. Not just solid like Andre or Reiff, but actually elite.
RE: Rank our OTs - CJD - 07-05-2022
(07-04-2022, 06:05 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Indy's LT is a 6th RD journeyman with 13 starts in a 4-year career
Minny's LT is a second-year player who didn't do much his first year
True, but Pryor had a really good 2021, allowing zero sacks in over 400 snaps with a 76.5 pff grade. He's still young so that could have been a break out year. Plus their RT is one of the best in the game.
And Minny I was going mostly off draft position. A few Vikings fans I spoke to said they liked what he did. If that was bias and Darrisaw wasn't that good then I can move them to the second list.
RE: Rank our OTs - bfine32 - 07-05-2022
(07-05-2022, 09:41 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: True, but Pryor had a really good 2021, allowing zero sacks in over 400 snaps with a 76.5 pff grade. He's still young so that could have been a break out year. Plus their RT is one of the best in the game.Good points. WTS, I usually don't vote in these polls, but as I was putting the list together and looked for Teams better than the Bengals; I came up with:
And Minny I was going mostly off draft position. A few Vikings fans I spoke to said they liked what he did. If that was bias and Darrisaw wasn't that good then I can move them to the second list.
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