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RE: New DC frontrunner? - fredtoast - 02-20-2019 (02-20-2019, 09:06 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Funny, you had no concerns with Marvin and his track record. You guys are making a false equivalency. I always disagreed with people who said it was IMPOSSIBLE for Marvin to win a playoff game and today I would disagree with anyone who claims it is IMPOSSIBLE for this current staff to succeed. But Marvin had a track record which included wins over the best teams in the league during the reguar season where as these new guys have not done anything. I am not here saying the new staff will flop, but it is clear things are not going well right now. There are legitimate reasons to be concerned. RE: New DC frontrunner? - Nately120 - 02-20-2019 Let's be honest folks, if the Steelers hired a QB coach to be their HC and they didn't have a DC this late in the game we would be laughing our arses off. Right or wrong isn't the point, but we'd be laughing. RE: New DC frontrunner? - Wyche'sWarrior - 02-20-2019 (02-19-2019, 07:05 PM)TheBengalsMind Wrote: I like him. Yeah.....that's pretty mediocre. RE: New DC frontrunner? - Wyche'sWarrior - 02-20-2019 (02-19-2019, 09:04 PM)fredtoast Wrote: But we do have information available. We can see what these guys have accomplished in the past. You mean like how we could deduce that Marvin Lewis would never win a playoff game in Cincy due to what he accomplished in the playoffs in the past? That kind of information, or no? RE: New DC frontrunner? - Wyche'sWarrior - 02-20-2019 (02-20-2019, 10:01 AM)fredtoast Wrote: You guys are making a false equivalency. I always disagreed with people who said it was IMPOSSIBLE for Marvin to win a playoff game and today I would disagree with anyone who claims it is IMPOSSIBLE for this current staff to succeed. But Marvin had a track record which included wins over the best teams in the league during the reguar season where as these new guys have not done anything. OK, that's fair enough...... RE: New DC frontrunner? - Synric - 02-20-2019 (02-20-2019, 12:53 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: So we can't look at how their teams performed or the most relevant rankings to their position groups. Defensive coordinators install the defense that is run and call the plays/coverages. So what you're saying is Wade Phillips is better than Kevin Coyle and Vance Joseph. Those pass defense rankings are a testament to the entire defense not 1 position coach. Passing defense involves the entire defense if a team has a better defensive line they will have a better pass rush which effects the passing defense rankings. Look at the Bengals they got a solid year in 2018 from their DB group but their linebackers were so bad it drops their Pass defense numbers. RE: New DC frontrunner? - jj22 - 02-20-2019 I'm over the initial disappointment and ready just to get a coach (and DL/LB coach) in here to start work on getting the 2019 season underway. Just hope we don't keep failed coaches for long, but willing to give this coaching staff a break given the circumstances (limited pool). What other options do we have at this point. I doubt any DC candidate would impress us at this point in the process. RE: New DC frontrunner? - Nately120 - 02-20-2019 (02-20-2019, 10:44 AM)jj22 Wrote: I'm over the initial disappointment and ready just to get a coach (and DL/LB coach) in here to start work on getting the 2019 season underway. Just hope we don't keep failed coaches for long, but willing to give this coaching staff a break given the circumstances (limited pool). I'm with you, I'm just wary because we've blamed our past 3 losing seasons in no small part on hiring bad coordinators. 2019 is already shaping up to be another "doesn't count" kind of season. RE: New DC frontrunner? - jj22 - 02-20-2019 They won't say it, but the focus has to be on 2020 and beyond right now. RE: New DC frontrunner? - Bengalitis - 02-20-2019 (02-19-2019, 01:48 PM)JungleRock85 Wrote: 52 years old and not much out there on him being a real successful DB coach let alone DC. Anyone still want to say that Taylor has ever had a plan from the start? I suspect like most people in general, Taylor just wanted the promotion and higher income and go from there.... Rather than giving the plan THE priority? Don't know, at least he's highly esteemed or McVay just wanted him out. ALL SPECULATION. But it definitely would have been more reassuring if he had his team ready by now. RE: New DC frontrunner? - Nicomo Cosca - 02-20-2019 (02-20-2019, 09:06 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Funny, you had no concerns with Marvin and his track record. Dalton’s postseason track record also doesn’t “concern” old Fred. He’s seems to be kind of selective about what does... RE: New DC frontrunner? - Okeana - 02-20-2019 Simple answer. There is nothing to get excited about this guy and it's a huge step backward in winning over the fanbase. I don't really want to recreate the Miami Dolphins. RE: New DC frontrunner? - Nicomo Cosca - 02-20-2019 (02-20-2019, 11:04 AM)jj22 Wrote: They won't say it, but the focus has to be on 2020 and beyond right now. No it doesn’t. Teams can turn around quicker in the NFL than any other league. RE: New DC frontrunner? - Big Boss - 02-20-2019 (02-20-2019, 11:43 AM)Okeana Wrote: Simple answer. There is nothing to get excited about this guy and it's a huge step backward in winning over the fanbase. I don't really want to recreate the Miami Dolphins. More specifically, the 2015 Miami Dolphins. I get wanting to work with people you are familiar with, and I will keep an open mind until I've been given a reason to close it, but it's been very hard to get excited about any of these moves. Where are the success stories? I'm not seeing any. RE: New DC frontrunner? - XenoMorph - 02-20-2019 (02-19-2019, 07:45 PM)Au165 Wrote: But Pleasant knows Sean McVay! I think you ment to say Pleasant knows Wade Phillips as McVay doesn't do much on that side of the ball. RE: New DC frontrunner? - XenoMorph - 02-20-2019 (02-20-2019, 11:43 AM)Okeana Wrote: Simple answer. There is nothing to get excited about this guy and it's a huge step backward in winning over the fanbase. I don't really want to recreate the Miami Dolphins. fans demanded change and they got it how is that a step back cause you don't like the change? That old Saying "careful what you wish for you might just get it..." RE: New DC frontrunner? - Okeana - 02-20-2019 (02-20-2019, 12:05 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: fans demanded change and they got it how is that a step back cause you don't like the change? if you're excited about this defensive coordinator candidate I don't even know what to say. The rest of this rambling is irrelevant nonsense RE: New DC frontrunner? - Au165 - 02-20-2019 (02-20-2019, 12:04 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: I think you ment to say Pleasant knows Wade Phillips as McVay doesn't do much on that side of the ball. Nah, I meant McVay. That is the running joke, if you know McVay you get jobs. RE: New DC frontrunner? - McC - 02-20-2019 (02-20-2019, 11:47 AM)Big Boss Wrote: More specifically, the 2015 Miami Dolphins. Funny how people say things like they will keep an open mind then proceed in the next sentence not to. RE: New DC frontrunner? - Nicomo Cosca - 02-20-2019 (02-20-2019, 12:09 PM)Au165 Wrote: Nah, I meant McVay. That is the running joke, if you know McVay you get jobs. People act like it hasn’t always been like that. |