(11-09-2019, 01:47 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I basically said I don't think he'll be a star (top 15 WR). I don't think that's negative.

I think Tate could be a really good #3 WR. And maybe he becomes a quality #2.

That's excellent for a late round pick.

I just don't see him becoming a star WR.

re: Who would hire Zac? I think you'd see teams hire him as a QB Coach. I doubt any team would hire him as an OC or HC.

(11-02-2019, 05:04 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Indeed. And the reasons for the poor running game could be debated.

We have Hart/Redmond/Hopkins/Price starting now...who were all starters for chunks last year and Mixon led the AFC in rushing. Yes...Glenn is out, but he was a poor run blocker.

Something doesn't add up.

(11-09-2019, 02:16 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Yeah, a #3 or #4 is how i would view him. A #2 on a bad team, potentially. "Separation" is a term that's thrown around a lot and i don't think it's as big a deal now as it was in years past with the amount of zone schemes that are in the NFL now. 

The Zac thing may be more legit than i had assumed (without really looking at lists of 'potential HC candidates before this year) but knowing how NFL teams like to pick successful staffs clean and seeing Goff's rise does make it more likely that others would have signed him as well. 

(11-09-2019, 08:46 PM)grampahol Wrote: I think Zac is great at talking the talk, redecorating and selling people on things, but actually coaching? I'm not so convinced..

(11-09-2019, 08:46 PM)grampahol Wrote: I think Zac is great at talking the talk, redecorating and selling people on things, but actually coaching? I'm not so convinced..

(11-09-2019, 08:34 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The thing is, Zac was an Assistant WR Coach with the Rams the year Goff took off. Then last year, he was QB Coach.

As a HC though, I think having that dynamic offensive mind is more required...unless you hire that in a coordinator (which teams do.)

Tate...IF he played on the Saints or in some other schemes...wouldn't need speed. Boldin and Hines Ward weren't the fastest guy. You gotta just know how to get open, but being in a good scheme helps too.

Your point on a #2 on a bad team is one of my points. When you throw it 50 times...someone is going to put up some stats. Winning teams don't do that.

I do like Tate though and I'm glad that he's getting playing time.

(11-11-2019, 12:02 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Goff looks to me like he has digressed in 2019? No Zac maybe???

(11-12-2019, 02:06 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Zac was only his QB Coach for 1 year.

I saw somewhere posted his numbers for the past 16 games. Not good. So his regression started last year.

Honestly...I think the league has figured out their offense. And teams are pressuring him.

Lots of like-minded fans on this one. Hate to see anyone go, but this definitely is a different process than we've seen in the past. https://t.co/bs6Phw9ych

— Captain Obvious (@BengalsCaptain) November 12, 2019

Benching franchise QB to see what they’ve got in the rookie ahead of the draft. Starting rookie LB ahead of vet. Now waiving vet LB. these are all actions of a new thinking #Bengals organisation. And I’ll take some positivity from that at the very least

— Peter Dadswell (@Dadders) November 12, 2019

(11-12-2019, 08:48 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote:

Benching franchise QB to see what they’ve got in the rookie ahead of the draft. Starting rookie LB ahead of vet. Now waiving vet LB. these are all actions of a new thinking #Bengals organisation. And I’ll take some positivity from that at the very least

— Peter Dadswell (@Dadders) November 12, 2019

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(11-12-2019, 09:16 PM)jason Wrote: Hmm... Ok.

But to me, it looks like they burned to bridge with Dalton to see what the have in Finley. Spoiler alert; you've got a serviceable back up. So now they have to roll out this backup next year, or gamble at the the top of the draft on a QB who will join a team with a ton of holes to fill... You know... Like MLB for instance.

Good luck...

(11-12-2019, 03:04 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: When you sign a tackle and Running back and QB to some of the highest contracts in the league that leaves less to pay the supporting cast.

(11-12-2019, 09:24 PM)jason Wrote: Yes... That is true. Also when you sign a QB to a team friendly deal you save money to sign other players; right? But when you sign a QB to a team friendly deal then let a top LT and decent RG walk, let two complementary WRs go, and don't adequately replace them, and don't make any solid free agent signings, it looks like ownership is pocketing those savings while creating a fall guy...

(11-12-2019, 09:51 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: I was referring to the rams. We all know the Bengals shoot them selves in the foot on a regular basis.

(11-12-2019, 11:47 PM)jason Wrote: I know... But that applies to everyone; not just the Rams. The Seahawks were Super Bowl contenders because they had Russell Wilson on the cheap. Once they had to pay him, they couldn't keep everyone else. Sure they're starting to come around again because Wilson has developed into a top 3 QB... They ain't what they were though. Tom Brady took a lot of team friendly deals.

The Bengals had their QB on the relative cheap. They let the team deteriorate around itself.

I think the Rams are struggling because Todd Gurley's falling off. Goff started slipping right around this time last year, and it coincided with Gurley's drop in production.

(11-13-2019, 12:33 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: We should have kept Zeitler. But, at this stage of the game...we're more than 1-2-3-4-5 guys away.

Bad drafts did us in. Repeated.

(11-12-2019, 11:47 PM)jason Wrote: I know... But that applies to everyone; not just the Rams. The Seahawks were Super Bowl contenders because they had Russell Wilson on the cheap. Once they had to pay him, they couldn't keep everyone else. Sure they're starting to come around again because Wilson has developed into a top 3 QB... They ain't what they were though. Tom Brady took a lot of team friendly deals.

The Bengals had their QB on the relative cheap. They let the team deteriorate around itself.

I think the Rams are struggling because Todd Gurley's falling off. Goff started slipping right around this time last year, and it coincided with Gurley's drop in production.