(07-08-2020, 11:51 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Oh horsehockey. They have tests that give results in less than 15 minutes. If everyone is tested before each practice and game, they have less chance of contracting it in a controlled environment, even while playing, than they do by going out to a restaurant or clubbing, or going to a backyard cookout while they are sitting out the season. Does anyone really think these 20 something year olds with pockets of cash are going to sit home and quarantine they whole time???

(07-08-2020, 09:01 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Calling it the same as the flu proves he is peddling propaganda instead if facts.

If we count flu deaths like we count Covid-19 deaths then the flu kills between 3 to 7 thousand people a yera.  

The CDC uses complex algorithims to calculate the number of unreported flu deaths at between 20 to 65 thousand a year.  Those are the numbers that the people who use the term "China Flu" refer to.

But we already have 130 thousand Covid-19 deaths with MANY MANY more to come.

Still waiting for the "simple math" to show how they are the same.  

Basically the people who want a lower death rate just argue that total covid cases are underreported, but they refuse to admit that the number of Covid deaths could also be underreported due to lack of testing.



 

(07-08-2020, 11:51 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Oh horsehockey. They have tests that give results in less than 15 minutes. If everyone is tested before each practice and game, they have less chance of contracting it in a controlled environment, even while playing, than they do by going out to a restaurant or clubbing, or going to a backyard cookout while they are sitting out the season. Does anyone really think these 20 something year olds with pockets of cash are going to sit home and quarantine they whole time???

(07-07-2020, 05:30 PM)Sled21 Wrote: The virus started in Wuhan. Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, Southeast Asia Respiratory Syndrome, Dengue Fever, Ebola, Spanish Flu, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, West Nile Virus, Zika......... diseases have always been named for their places of origin. It's not hate speech or xenophobic, until it became in vogue to use such terms. 

(07-08-2020, 12:31 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: FYI: The MLB is already having testing issues.  4 teams had to cancel practice on Monday because they were still waiting on their test results from the previous Friday.

One has to wonder why they're running into delays already, and why they're not using this simple 15 minute test you're speaking of.  There has to be a reason for that.  Be it's availablity, it's reliability, or it's cost.  Either they're not easy to get enough, they're not accurate enough, of they're cost prohibitive.  Take your pick.

Another to consider:  Baseball consists of 750 players on active rosters.  The NFL consists of 1,760 players on active rosters.  More players = more tests.  This certainly doesn't make it any easier for the NFL to impliment a more timely process than MLB.

I'm going to ask you one question, and I would love for you to honestly answer it.  I'll even bold it so hopefully you don't just skim past in...


What happens if an NFL team has a situation like what just happened at Clemson, where 23 players test postive for Covid-19 in the middle of the season?


Now you/they really have to have an answer to this question.  It can't be dismissed.  You can't say it can't or won't happen, because it did happen.  So what is your answer?  Do they just ignore the results and play on?  Do they bring in replacement players?  Do they cancel games until the roster can be brought back from quarantine?

I'd love an answer to this because I don't have one.  I don't know what they hell they would do.  And that's a big freaking problem to solve.  Let me know what you think.

(07-08-2020, 01:39 PM)SladeX Wrote: I think isolation is an option.
"They won't spend that kind of time away from their families "
Military men do it all the time. Maybe set up the bye week as a leave time, with rigorous testing upon re entry.
"They won't risk getting sick"
I do. I actually look at my "essential job" as a blessing, as I  have barely missed a beat.
Perhaps their sense of patriotism could be appealed to. Because our nation could really really use a little normal right now.

(07-08-2020, 02:09 PM)PAjwPhilly Wrote: I think the whole kneeling during the anthem and appealing to patriotism is in serious conflict.  Athletes kneel to bring attention to social injustice. Until they believe it's over.... I wouldn't think they care about being labeled patriots.

(07-08-2020, 12:31 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: FYI: The MLB is already having testing issues.  4 teams had to cancel practice on Monday because they were still waiting on their test results from the previous Friday.

One has to wonder why they're running into delays already, and why they're not using this simple 15 minute test you're speaking of.  There has to be a reason for that.  Be it's availablity, it's reliability, or it's cost.  Either they're not easy to get enough, they're not accurate enough, of they're cost prohibitive.  Take your pick.

Another to consider:  Baseball consists of 750 players on active rosters.  The NFL consists of 1,760 players on active rosters.  More players = more tests.  This certainly doesn't make it any easier for the NFL to impliment a more timely process than MLB.

I'm going to ask you one question, and I would love for you to honestly answer it.  I'll even bold it so hopefully you don't just skim past in...


What happens if an NFL team has a situation like what just happened at Clemson, where 23 players test postive for Covid-19 in the middle of the season?


Now you/they really have to have an answer to this question.  It can't be dismissed.  You can't say it can't or won't happen, because it did happen.  So what is your answer?  Do they just ignore the results and play on?  Do they bring in replacement players?  Do they cancel games until the roster can be brought back from quarantine?

I'd love an answer to this because I don't have one.  I don't know what they hell they would do.  And that's a big freaking problem to solve.  Let me know what you think.

(07-08-2020, 01:27 PM)PAjwPhilly Wrote: Only 1 of which refers to a person or a nation of people.... And the Spanish Flu was found in America (and wasn't even big in Spain). Being that is was from 1918 it comes from a time where the US was openly racist w/o even trying to acknowledge that fact. So AGAIN it's AMERICA pointing fingers at other people. 

The rest refer to mountains and rivers. And there is no such thing as... Southeast Asia Respiratory Syndrome.... SARS is Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome

It's not vogue, it's eliminating prejudice. And its 2020 it is past due at this date in human evolution.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

P.S. If you want to correctly speak about it... The virus is COVID-19 and the illness is SARS-CoV-2. Think of it like HIV is a virus but AIDS is the illness that stems from the infection.

(07-08-2020, 01:18 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: To be clear, an honest mistake calling it the flu and I do think like the flu can be deadly.

Here is the simple math.

Over 3 million confirmed cases as of today. CDC estimates 10X that number (their number and fact) actually have had it so over 30 million. To date, less than 132 thousand of died. There are arguments both ways of over and under reporting of deaths so who do you believed (no facts, just opinions to date).

So simple math

30,000,000 divided by 132,000 = death rate to date of .23% of those who contracted the virus based on CDC saying 10X number have contracted.

Fact, the death rate is dropping daily as more cases are discovered.
Fact, the death rate of anyone age 65 or under with NO UNDERLYING HEALTH ISSUES is very low.
Fact, death rate of those 85 or older with underlying health condition is much higher than those 85 or under.

This is not propaganda, these are facts. On the other hand, I see you like to throw out your opinion as do others without citing facts.

I am not saying this is not an issue, I am not saying do not do your part. Just the opposite, do your part and wear a mask, social distance and wash your hands. If you have underlying serious health issues and are over 65, by all means keep self quarantining if possible.

(07-08-2020, 02:51 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I was taught:

"sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"

Maybe a generational issue, but I live by there is nothing anyone can ever say to me that will hurt me. The idea someone is so weak mentally, words hurt them is foreign to me.

Also, anyone who supports China who lied about a deadly virus costing time to combat it thus killing additional millions of people is repulsive to me. China is a communist country, I feel bad for their people who don't share our freedom of speech. It is not about the Chinese people who are helpless, it is about a Communist Chinese government and you and all should denounce them versus protecting them.

(07-08-2020, 02:34 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Well, I suppose that would be no different than a team bus crash injuring 23 players. If they can't take the field, they forfeit. If you're looking for a way to have a "perfect" season with no glitches, it's not going to happen. But, we can have a season none the less. Just consider it the "new Normal" the politicians tout.

(07-08-2020, 02:34 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Well, I suppose that would be no different than a team bus crash injuring 23 players. If they can't take the field, they forfeit. If you're looking for a way to have a "perfect" season with no glitches, it's not going to happen. But, we can have a season none the less. Just consider it the "new Normal" the politicians tout.

(07-08-2020, 03:31 PM)Big Boss Wrote: A bus accident injuring 23 players on one team (out of 32) is an anomaly.  

What happens if 20+ players are diagnosed with COVID-19 on 16 different teams?

(07-08-2020, 03:34 PM)samhain Wrote: No big deal.  Just forfeit.  Or you could sign some bouncers from the local watering hole and throw in a few dudes slinging boxes at Amazon that have some pent-up Al Bundy/Uncle Rico fantasies and happened to play quarterback at Lloyd Memorial or Beechwood their senior year to step in for Burrow for a month.  Totally something everyone wants to watch.

(07-08-2020, 03:34 PM)samhain Wrote: No big deal.  Just forfeit.  Or you could sign some bouncers from the local watering hole and throw in a few dudes slinging boxes at Amazon that have some pent-up Al Bundy/Uncle Rico fantasies and happened to play quarterback at Lloyd Memorial or Beechwood their senior year to step in for Burrow for a month.  Totally something everyone wants to watch.