(12-04-2023, 01:46 PM)R3stangs Wrote: I don't necessarily agree with firing Zac but is is such a stretch to question him given how the season is progressing? We're the literal definition of first to worst in the division. It is an extremely high probability we get completely swept in the division.

Theres obviously some issues with this team that fall on his shoulders. We came into this season with superbowl winning aspirations. Expectations have continued to decline from there to now expecting to have a top draft pick.

(12-04-2023, 12:10 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Lamar vs Joe the last 3 seasons is 2-1 ( not counting the second game this year when Joe went down the second quarter. Does count the first game this year where we lost 27-24 with Joe not 100%.  Cincy 82-63 in points scored.

(12-04-2023, 12:50 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Except we did, though. It may not have been successful, but we switched to a 100% shotgun, short passing, QB ain't moving, get the ball out NOW scheme. Argue all you want about what other options Zac, Callahan, and Burrow should've chosen instead, but to say they didn't change their scheme even "a little" is disingenuous


I agree, too bad people aren't looking at this situation honestly. 

(12-04-2023, 12:21 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I'm sure they were. My point was we did not face a full strength 49ers team. People pointing out what we did to the 49ers compared to what the 49ers do to another team when they are full strength isn't a fair comparison.

(12-04-2023, 02:02 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: The defense we scored 31 points, 29 first downs, and 400 yards was full strength.

(12-04-2023, 01:34 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: I still don't want to fire Zac the "HC". I'm on the fence leaning hard towards firing Zac the "OC". 1. I'm just not sure I'm a believer in the committee concept with play calling? 2. I don't get why they abandon the run after the first qtr. in nearly every game.

(12-04-2023, 02:01 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Yeah we are looking at it honestly. Burrow rushing thru his progressions because he knows he can't extend the play and then checking down quickly to our check down player standing still is a brilliant scheme change. As well as going from 98% shotgun to 100% also brilliant. So glad we can all see this with 100% clarity now.

(12-04-2023, 01:20 PM)Wyche Wrote: Well, I am being honest. Our fans are talking up an opponent's HC. Our fans are bashing our HC because he can't scheme around Jake Browning to win. I just pointed out Shanny couldn't scheme around losing Deebo, because their offense was anemic while he was out. It's almost like losing your best player affects a team.....

(12-04-2023, 02:16 PM)PhilHos Wrote: As I said, it wasn't successful but it was still a scheme change which you said didn't happen. So, t sounds like you just want to be critical for critical's sake and NOT looking at things honestly, despite what your previous post said.

(12-04-2023, 01:18 PM)Wyche Wrote: I dunno about that, Miami had some high powered offenses during his tenure with the Canes. 

(12-04-2023, 02:08 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: The defense may have been their real problem during that little slump stretch they had. Let's not forget PJ Walker beat them a couple of weeks earlier.

(12-04-2023, 02:09 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Exactly how I feel.

Personally, I think we need to ditch the playcall-by-committee approach. Just have 1 person do it, Zac, Brian, hell Burrow could do it if he wants. However, if the offense is not 'good enough', then that person is replaced. If it's Zac, that means he gives up playcalling, but he can still be the HC which he's clearly pretty good at.

(12-04-2023, 02:30 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Not gonna lie. I have absolutely no knowledge of Johnson other than the Cowboy's were in the superbowl alot when I was a kid. But looking him up he started his career as a defensive coordinator so I'm assuming he didn't call the offense?

(12-04-2023, 02:24 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I don't think Deebo is even there best player. I think he's worth mentioning because he can give you easy scores where he takes a swing pass thru traffic to the house. But his 1st game back he did score but wasn't all that impressive stat wise besides that and they won big. If I was gonna point to something on they're team during the 3 game slump I would say they're defense struggled. 
But I don't think people are hating on Taylor because he can't scheme around Browning (atleast I'm not ). It's because he can't get the run game going even win the time calls for that to be a focal point he refuses to put the pressure anywhere but on the QBs shoulders. So yes that does include Browning but that's just one instance over 5 years.

(12-04-2023, 02:09 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Exactly how I feel.

Personally, I think we need to ditch the playcall-by-committee approach. Just have 1 person do it, Zac, Brian, hell Burrow could do it if he wants. However, if the offense is not 'good enough', then that person is replaced. If it's Zac, that means he gives up playcalling, but he can still be the HC which he's clearly pretty good at.

(12-04-2023, 02:30 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Not gonna lie. I have absolutely no knowledge of Johnson other than the Cowboy's were in the superbowl alot when I was a kid. But looking him up he started his career as a defensive coordinator so I'm assuming he didn't call the offense?

(12-04-2023, 02:38 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I agree. I get people don't want to change something that's generally worked. I'm not saying fire Taylor as there are several things he's done that I like and he's certainly deserving of some of the credit for our success. But we need to get rid of the committee approach so we can have accountability when things aren't working and make positive changes. I think we need a overall change at OC to try and get the run game fixed and try make things easier on Burrow. Let's not forget he only has a 50% success rate at making it thru the season healthy and I'm not suggesting that blame gets put anywhere. But I'm generally worried about this recent injury. Has anyone heard a timeline since his surgery? I'm also worried with the wrist injury in general lingering and the fact that he likes to flex his hand/wrist after passes in practice if he has some underlying wrist issues that led to this injury.

(12-04-2023, 02:38 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I agree. I get people don't want to change something that's generally worked. I'm not saying fire Taylor as there are several things he's done that I like and he's certainly deserving of some of the credit for our success. But we need to get rid of the committee approach so we can have accountability when things aren't working and make positive changes. I think we need an overall change at OC to try and get the run game fixed and try make things easier on Burrow. Let's not forget he only has a 50% success rate at making it thru the season healthy and I'm not suggesting that blame gets put anywhere. But I'm generally worried about this recent injury. Has anyone heard a timeline since his surgery? I'm also worried with the wrist injury in general lingering and the fact that he likes to flex his hand/wrist after passes in practice if he has some underlying wrist issues that led to this injury.