(03-19-2024, 03:44 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: True enough. 

And it is not like the situation is irretrievable. The coaches & FO seemed to pin some of our defensive issues vs the run to communication/trust issues on the back end. Getting Stone & Bell should help with that, regardless of Reader. Sweat would be fantastic, Jackson good. 

But a DT room of BJ Hill, Rankins, Carter, Tufele, & Bell is putrid. Especially vs the run. I still think we need 2 DTs/NTs. 

Sweat & Jackson are the only NTs I think that can be starter-ish level year 1. And I'd be stunned if either are close to Reader. 

In 2024, we could have had an elite player for close to nothing. Or at least the possibility of one. That is a risk worth taking. 

For, 2025, the cost would have been steeper, but still a bargain for Reader if he is close to 100%. 

Anyway, you will never be able to convince me the Reader/restructure issue was anything but flat out stupid, no matter how it plays out. You can hit on 19 and get a duece, but the decision was still dumb. 

I am just hoping we can pull that duece. Or an ace. 

As for Mr. Brown, it is hard to say without viewing the contract. I assilume we got input from Gesicki & Karras before the signing. I'd trust him. The Pats dud screw him over on the bonus. I am OK with the attitude issues. 

The injury issues worry me some. I am still all in on Fuaga/Latham in Rd 1. If both are gone & Bowers is there.....I may pull the trigger. I do like Mims as well, but he & Guyton are OTs all the way. Latham/Fuaga/Fautanu have some G possibilities. 

It opens up the draft some. Frankly, I thought it eould be hard for us to get a good OT because I figured they want a guarantee on starting (Smith, Onwenu, Eluemunor, Brown, etc). If we got Brown without one, that is a big win. 

(03-18-2024, 08:41 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: What do you think that they will offer to an oft injured, mentally unstable, disgruntled old Tackle like Brown?  1 yr/$5M?

(03-19-2024, 04:04 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: I like the sound of that less. 

I mean, I guess I am still confused as to what he meant. 

Interpretation #1: He isn't concerned about us taking an OT at #18 because we told him we won't and he is the starter. 

This worries me because you are relying on an injury prone guy to start AND if OT is BPA you cannot take one. Pkus, Brown is on a 1 year deal. Take the long term solution if it is there. 

Interpretation #2: He's not concerned about us taking a RT at #18 because he is OK with it if it happens. 

This would be ideal.

But it sounds like #1 more than #2.

(03-19-2024, 04:08 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: So you are down as the 2024 Bengals are not likely to be any good due your expert analysis afer the Brown signing and prior to the draft.  

(03-19-2024, 03:57 PM)Au165 Wrote: Brown said this in his introductory press conference. The contract will tell the story though. I think we could be in play for a trade back from 18 now for maybe a higher upside but less polished RT (Mims) and add more ammo. The other thought here is I could see us taking one at the top of round 2 in a trade up but going a different direction at 18.

(03-19-2024, 03:57 PM)Au165 Wrote: Brown said this in his introductory press conference. The contract will tell the story though. I think we could be in play for a trade back from 18 now for maybe a higher upside but less polished RT (Mims) and add more ammo. The other thought here is I could see us taking one at the top of round 2 in a trade up but going a different direction at 18.

(03-19-2024, 04:11 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Another rental at a crucial position. I'm 100% on board with the signing because they HAD to sign someone, but I am 0% on board with the Bengals utter failures at replacing Andre Smith (of all bars to have to gingerly hop over) with a draft pick..... THE LAST 14 SEASONS!

(03-19-2024, 04:11 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Another rental at a crucial position. I'm 100% on board with the signing because they HAD to sign someone, but I am 0% on board with the Bengals utter failures at replacing Andre Smith (of all bars to have to gingerly hop over) with a draft pick..... THE LAST 14 SEASONS!

The person/people scouting the O line needed fired 8 years ago.

I became threat level: Vomit when James Rapien (or PDJr) said that Pollack wanted the Bengals to draft Creed Humphry in 2021 2nd round & the Bengals traded back and STILL took Jackson Carman, a player most teams had removed from their board completely due to injuries AND/OR rape allegations in college.

The litany of O-Line whiffs by Bengals scouts is INSANE. They can't even accidentally nail one.

(03-19-2024, 04:40 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: dre was a top 5 RT from '11-15

(03-19-2024, 04:04 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: I like the sound of that less. 

I mean, I guess I am still confused as to what he meant. 

Interpretation #1: He isn't concerned about us taking an OT at #18 because we told him we won't and he is the starter. 

This worries me because you are relying on an injury prone guy to start AND if OT is BPA you cannot take one. Pkus, Brown is on a 1 year deal. Take the long term solution if it is there. 

Interpretation #2: He's not concerned about us taking a RT at #18 because he is OK with it if it happens. 

This would be ideal.

But it sounds like #1 more than #2.

(03-19-2024, 04:08 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: So you are down as the 2024 Bengals are not likely to be any good due your expert analysis afer the Brown signing and prior to the draft.  

(03-19-2024, 04:42 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I'm hoping he is just the backup swing tackle and paid accordingly. Just can't rely on a guy in his 30s who has only made at least 10 starts in a season once in four years.

(03-19-2024, 04:31 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I hate this. Especially with this team's track record. Just take the best available RT at 18. Or BPA

(03-19-2024, 04:51 PM)JoeyB2023 Wrote: I could talk with u for hours.  I’ve been banging this table for years and was called a bengals hater for it.  They can’t scout or develop olineman to save their lives.  I’m praying Fuaga or Latham there at 18 other than that I’m
Terrified of who they chose.  I can hear it now “with the 18th pick in the 2024 NFL draft the Cincinnati Bengals select…..Jordan Morgan”  Just some dumb shit like that.

(03-19-2024, 04:42 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I'm hoping he is just the backup swing tackle and paid accordingly. Just can't rely on a guy in his 30s who has only made at least 10 starts in a season once in four years.

(03-18-2024, 10:21 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: For those they still want Ot at 18 if we sign brown.  I’m assuming you are ok with our first round pick not playing in 2024.  You can’t predict injuries, so maybe they would get on the field.  But if things go our way, getting zero contribution from Your first overall pick would be a likely outcome.

Aren’t we tired of not drafting for the current year?  Signing brown opens up the draft a bit.