(01-11-2016, 01:31 PM)JS-Steelerfan Wrote: Dude, Gilberry walked UP TO Porter in that video.  He was not previously engaged with him.  He had no business bumping him from behind, whether Porter was on the field legally or not.  It is not his job to enforce the rules, especially with shoving.  Surely even you can admit that this was not incidental.  

Also, how about Burfict shoving a trainer - a trainer! - in that video? 

Look, I'll admit that the Steelers weren't angels, built come on ... Stop trying to pretend that the Bengals are innocent victims here.  

(01-11-2016, 05:55 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: If you hit a defenseless receiver in the head, using any part of your body, you will get a PF thrown at you. Period. That is what happened.

(01-11-2016, 10:20 PM)Wyche Wrote: Unless it's on Bernard....then it's just "unfortunate".

I can't speak for everyone else....but aside from the need for offsetting penalties....I'm just sick of the media narrative that the Stoolers are somehow innocent victims in all of this.

(01-11-2016, 10:20 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: Unless it's on Bernard....then it's just "unfortunate".

I can't speak for everyone else....but aside from the need for offsetting penalties....I'm just sick of the media narrative that the Stoolers are somehow innocent victims in all of this.

(01-11-2016, 10:30 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Except Gio was not a defenseless receiver. I've also stated that was a blown call, though, because it violated a different rule.

(01-11-2016, 08:01 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I don't follow your logic here.

(01-11-2016, 08:01 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I said things that were going on. Gilberry could have been called for his helmet being off or bumping Porter, yet he wasn't. Already pointed that out. The officials let things get out of hand with their leniency, but when Jones touched an official that was it. The rule about that leaves no room for ambiguity and discretion like the others. He wasn't pushed into the official or anything, he made that decision. No one is to blame there but himself, and it's not biased.

(01-11-2016, 10:36 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: Well.....according to that hack , Carey , Gio took two whole steps making him a runner.  Ok then , Bryant took two steps , but Williams got the flag early on in the game.......so which is it ?  Oh that pesky thing called a memory....amirite?

The Williams call was BS....and the no call on Gio was BS.  Shazier led with the crown outside of the tackle box.....therefore , penalty.

(01-11-2016, 10:41 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Doesn't surprise me.

You say that you don't have enough evidence to conclude that the refs were biased, do you follow me so far?

Then, you say that Porter being on the field illegally caused Jones to touch the ref, do you follow so far?

Yet they call Jones for bumping the ref while he was going after a COACH THAT WAS DRESSED IN NORMAL CLOTHES, which I put that in caps lock so you realize that they couldn't have mistaken him for a player and thought that he was on the field legally.

You still follow?

Therefore, they were obviously bias in calling a penalty on Jones when the flag should have been on Porter and Jones never even should have had a chance to try and shove Porter and mistakingly bumping the ref.

Let's sum it all up:  You can't say the refs weren't biased when you also say that they allowed a Steelers player to break the rules first and provoke a Bengals player.

I hope I didn't lose ya anywhere in there. 


Refs get run into all the time in the field of play.  I've seen players shake hands with refs or hug refs (Doug Martin), yet they weren't flagged.  

Sounds like ambiguity to me.

(01-11-2016, 10:43 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Do you mean the Wheaton hit? Also, steps aren't the only part of it. A football move is also required. That being said, I said from the get go I feel that Wheaton was a runner. So you're preaching to the choir on that.

(01-11-2016, 03:10 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Or as your wife tells you, "in the wet conditions, every quarter of an inch counts". 

(01-11-2016, 03:17 PM)GMDino Wrote: And other than the PF on Foster (for, uh, moving his foot after it was stepped on?) I'm not arguing them.

I *do* think that had the officials thrown a couple (any) 15 yarders on the Bengals for some of the post whistle stuff maybe the game calms down.

But then I look at Burfict and Jones and realize there were going to do something stupid sooner or later.

(01-11-2016, 04:07 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: ok, fine. This can be you

(01-11-2016, 05:04 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Just because this is where the whole Burfict/Porter/Jones discussion has been.

(01-11-2016, 05:52 PM)GMDino Wrote: Exactly one.

The PF on Foster...for getting his own foot stepped on.

(01-11-2016, 06:01 PM)JS-Steelerfan Wrote: Watch the video of Burfict closely.  His helmet DID hit Brown before his shoulder did.  Watch the angle at that is shown at the 0:17 second mark.  

http://youtu.be/-tfLncD3pGM

Porter should have been flagged.  But that doesn't excuse anyone from shoving him from behind, especially if he had to travel several yards to do it.  But that was Gilberry.  Jones wasn't flagged for shoving Porter.  He was flagged for shoving a ref.  Gilberry's shove of Porter went uncalled, as did Burfict's shove of a Steeler trainer.  

But no matter who did what, they are responsible for their own actions.  Porter getting away with being out there does not excuse them from any wrongdoings they themselves commit.  

By the way: the rule prohibiting coaches on the field is written in such a way that the refs have the authority to allow non-players and non-trainers on the field during a time out.  They are not bound to calling penalties in that situation - they can use their own discretion.    

(01-11-2016, 06:20 PM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: They called a flag because any....I'll repeat that for ya....Any contact by the defender to the head/neck area of a defenseless receiver is a personal foul.  

(01-11-2016, 06:38 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Rule 13 Article 2

Either or both team attendants and their helpers may enter the field to attend their team during a team timeout by either team. No other non-player may come on the field without the Referee’s permission, unless he is an incoming substitute (5-2-2).

During any team timeout, all playing rules continue in force. Representatives of either team are prohibited from entering the field unless they are incoming substitutes, or team attendants or trainers entering to provide for the welfare of a player, and any game-type activities are prohibited on the Field of Play.


http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2015-nfl-rulebook/

You need referee's permission to be on field. Given Porter was out there for some time and in the presence of the ref's, I think that permission is implicit at that point. It's rare but not unusual for coaches to be on the field during an injury. 

(01-11-2016, 06:55 PM)Benton Wrote: And that's part of where the ref's failed. It's their discretion. In a game where they were supposed to be holding everything close to the line — and a game where they knew things could get out of hand — they should not have allowed a linebackers coach onto the field to check on a receiver.

The Steelers allowed a young position coach from another position to go onto the field to check on a player.

Porter fits in with that coaching crew. Scuzziest bunch of cheaters.

(01-11-2016, 06:56 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here.


Okay, I think you're trying to say if Porter hadn't been on the field, Jones wouldn't have touched the official. I agree. and I have said before that Porter should have been flagged. So could any number of things going on in that instance.

I never said the refs weren't biased, I don't have enough information to draw that conclusion. What I said was that the call there was not biased. There was a lot of leniency for both sides in that instance, until Jones touched an official. I don't call that bias, I call that having to draw a line somewhere.

(01-11-2016, 07:17 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Perhaps.
But also why were six Bengals allowed to be around an injured Steelers player? When Bernard was hurt Mike Mitchell was the only player nearby.
Given the nature of the game, shouldn't the ref's gotten the Bengal defenders out of there? Or maybe some of the Bengals coaches?