(04-24-2019, 12:34 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I could see us drafting a QB in round 1. If we do, it means we may be tanking 2019. If we also trade AD prior to start of the season, then I see a rebuild beginning.

What is the value of AD? I think he is #1 pick plus at least a 2nd round pick.

I like AD and think our fans love to find that one guy to trash and it has been AD for many, in past it was Peko, Rey M. and others.

I hope we make the right decision with the draft and roster, I am no expert so how can I be happy or sad after the draft.

My happiness is based on winning and winning only in 2019.

(04-24-2019, 12:39 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: I need to make sure I understand this before I die of an aneurysm. 

You think Dalton's trade value is a 1st PLUS a 2nd? 

(04-24-2019, 12:52 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Yep, look at history of the NFL. He is arguably a top 15 QB over his career. All it takes is one Super Bowl ready team missing a veteran leader at QB to get them to the promised land. So yes, I think AD is worth the 2 picks so feel free to die.

(04-24-2019, 12:59 PM)BengalChris Wrote: Joe Flacco's trade deal set the bar for middle of the road QBs who haven't done anything in a couple of years and he has a SB.

Just realize that Hue Jackson isn't out there to make a deal at the moment.

 

(04-24-2019, 10:02 AM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: Walter Football's latest mock:

11. Cincinnati Bengals. Drew Lock, QB, Missouri.

If you've been following the site for a while, you know one of my favorite phrases pertaining to the NFL Draft: New regimes mean new quarterbacks. I've been saying that for so long because it's true. When a new regime comes into a team, it tends to obtain a new quarterback unless a great player at the position is already in place.

Andy Dalton is not a great player. He's as mediocre as it gets; he turns 32 during the upcoming season; and he's due an average of about $17 million per season over the next two years before his contract expires. Unless this new Cincinnati regime loves Dalton, I believe it will move on from Dalton in the next year or so. If Dwayne Haskins falls to the Bengals, it's very realistic that they'll select the Ohio State product, much like the Ravens did with Lamar Jackson last year. Joe Flacco played one final season with his team, and Dalton would do the same in this scenario before Haskins takes over in 2020.

Drew Lock has a great arm and can make any throw, but he really needs to work on his field vision and accuracy. He should probably be taken in the second round, but we've seen teams reach for quarterbacks over the years. And besides, teams like Lock's gritty attitude and work ethic. He loves football, so he'll try hard to improve his flaws.

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2019.php#ixzz5m19LFY2x

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2019.php#OEOHtD6IU50Xzi4W.99

Quote:In 2018, there were seven new NFL head coaches. So, that means there should have been seven teams who had a new coach looking to “get their guy”.


But how many of them did that?
One.

(04-24-2019, 01:04 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Joe Flacco's value plummeted because he lost his starting job to a QB who can't throw the football NFL caliber. He has also been subpar to AD in the stats almost every year, so bad comparision.

(04-24-2019, 01:04 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Joe Flacco's value plummeted because he lost his starting job to a QB who can't throw the football NFL caliber. He has also been subpar to AD in the stats almost every year, so bad comparision.

(04-24-2019, 12:59 PM)BengalChris Wrote: Joe Flacco's trade deal set the bar for middle of the road QBs who haven't done anything in a couple of years and he has a SB.

Just realize that Hue Jackson isn't out there to make a deal at the moment.

 

(04-24-2019, 01:37 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Dalton has been a far better QB than Flacco though. Even over the last 3 years, which haven't been kind to Dalton.

Flacco: 82.6 rating - 1600 attempts - 9,923 yards - 50 TD's - 34 INT's

Dalton: 89.4 rating - 1424 attempts - 10,092 yards - 64 TD's - 31 INT's 

This is with Dalton getting sacked 25 more times than Flacco. Not to mention Dalton is 2.5 years younger. 

(04-24-2019, 01:07 PM)Wyche Wrote: He's perpetuating a media narrative that just isn't true.

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2019/4/22/18306010/bengals-quarterback-2019-nfl-draft-dwayne-haskins-drew-lock-daniel-jones

(04-24-2019, 02:14 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Dalton has been a far better QB? Flacco has a ring and 10 playoff wins. When he faltered the Ravens traded him.

(04-24-2019, 02:46 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Teams weren't trading for a Super Bowl ring from 7 years ago. They were trading for the faltered Joe Flacco you're speaking of.

Dalton's current value should be higher when you consider recent play and age. It's really not all that close. 

(04-24-2019, 02:46 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Teams weren't trading for a Super Bowl ring from 7 years ago. They were trading for the faltered Joe Flacco you're speaking of.

Dalton's current value should be higher when you consider recent play and age. It's really not all that close. 

(04-24-2019, 04:03 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote:  No matter how delusional some fans are about Daltons value to think he would bring much more than Flacco is off the charts.

(04-24-2019, 04:03 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Your statement was Dalton has been a better QB. I totally disagree. But the fact remains they were basically the same the last three years and the Ravens realized it and drafted his replacement. No matter how delusional some fans are about Daltons value to think he would bring much more than Flacco is off the charts.

(04-24-2019, 04:14 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Why even bother comparing Dalton to Flacco when Sam Bradford was traded to the Vikings for a 1st round pick within recent memory?  That right there is more of an indication that it is more about the situation than the player.

I guess that would be comparable if we draft a QB at 11 and then Case Keenum gets hurt and Jay Gruden offers a 1st rounder for Dalton in a last-ditch bid to save his job.

(04-24-2019, 04:49 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: ...and I stand by that. Dalton has posted better numbers throughout his career. 

(04-24-2019, 04:46 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You are the one who is starting to sound delusional.

Flacco is 2 years older than Dalton, and Dalton has had a better passer rating than Flacco for 6 straight years.  

(04-24-2019, 05:04 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: In what universe do you live? Winning the Super bowl and winning nine other playoff wins trumps anything Dalton has done or will do in his extremely mediocre career. Every year every team has one goal , win the Super Bowl. Flacco did that and did it with amazing poise. Dalton craps his pants every time he gets in a situation when he needs to step up.

(04-24-2019, 05:14 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: In that same time frame he won a SB and beat the Steelers in a PO game. Being better for six more years won't make Dalton a better QB. Rings and PO wins trump anything and everything any of you homers post. Any benign facts you like to throw in won't convince me that Dalton is ,was , or ever be as good as Flacco.