(09-22-2015, 08:08 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: The Colts are a very overrated team. They are 10-12 outside of their division since 2013. On the other hand the Bengals are a very underrated team. They are 17-4-1 outside their division since 2013.

The AFCS is such a bad division. The Texans don't have a good secondary anymore. Their defense is all about their front 7. The Titans are on the rise, but have been jokes for a while. The Jags are just a joke.

(09-23-2015, 01:34 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Fun fact: In 9 games since the 2.0 game, Dalton has a 97.9 passer rating.

He's also completed 68.8% of his passes for 16 TD's and only 8 INT's.

(09-12-2015, 09:49 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: It's finally arrived!  

The long-awaited, much anticipated thread to post anything and everything about the most polarizing QB in the NFL.

It was discussed many times on the old board and a few times here...sometimes in jest, and sometimes for real. Then I saw it brought up again in Fred's thread...so what the hell, let's actually do it.

With the season starting tomorrow, there's no better time to give it a try and see how it goes. Hopefully, instead of starting thread, after thread, after thread about AD...members can contain (at least the majority of) their love, hate, praise, criticism and analysis in this one official, super-duper, thread to end all threads!

Will it work? Maybe not, but what the hell...it should at least be interesting.   

(09-23-2015, 04:37 PM)Rhinocero23 Wrote: Had to update my sig to record the most recent current win against a team with a winning record. Team has looked great the first two weeks and Andy has looked the same. Here is hopping for to it continuing through Feb!!!

(09-23-2015, 09:02 PM)Synric Wrote: It's all about perception.

If Andy had won in the first round once or twice and been knocked out in the second he'd be considered a top QB with his regular season record. Since he's been 1 and done 4 times he made himself an easy target for the media.

(09-23-2015, 09:51 PM)BengalChris Wrote: All Dalton had to do was play well enough to win from his position at QB (regardless of how the rest of the team did) in any two of those playoff games and he would be considered a good QB just under those guys who have SB rings. But that didn't have occur in the slightest and you add the prime time implosions and you have his image.

He's made his own image. It wasn't created by the media.

We look at the Colts right now and it shows just how much Luck has carried that team since he arrived. The Bengals have talent everywhere, by contrast.

I hope Dalton continues as he has the last two games and creates a new image for himself. Two games isn't enough though. He's going to have to do it in prime time, then in the playoffs.

(09-21-2015, 02:12 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I agree with this post 100%, except I can't suggest that the Green Repper an idiot. I really liked that dude on the old boards. That said, I strongly disagree that Dalton is top 5 or even top 10. Now if Dalton can maintain close to this level of play through the season while not having many huge stinkers, I do think it's possible he gets around top 10. Rankings are always fluid.

It's way too early to tell, and way too early for I told you so's. I'm anxious to see though. He's really being smart with the ball, his accuracy has been outstanding and they're doing a superb job of spreading the ball around to literally everyone. I just hope he can continue to show all these things when the line starts giving up some sacks and more pressure, because that's definitely going to happen.

(09-24-2015, 03:28 AM)West Union KennyG Wrote: If anything, I have a tendency to get more dramatic when the conversation is largely one sided in a way I see as mostly unfair.
Still, I'll stand by my top 10 statement, and others can call me what they want. I know what I see in this kid, and I find him impressive - he's a winner. Take his total wins and compare them to other QBS in the league. I know it's a team sport, but as the point person for the offense, that's a lot of wins. Some might even say, top 10 caliber. So there.

(09-23-2015, 05:01 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: You sig is wrong anyways.

we were 6-4-1 against .500 and better teams last year (at the time, which is what your stats are going by otherwise we wouldn't have that tie)
we were 6-1 against .500 and better teams in 2013
we were 4-3 against .500 and better teams in 2012
and I don't feel like looking up what we were in 2011.

So that right there we are 16-8-1, but like I said I got too lazy to finish 2011, because the wiki link didn't take to that year for the team.

(09-24-2015, 01:57 AM)Synric Wrote: Eli manning is considered an elite QB while I don't doubt his efforts in 2 Super Bowl runs he is the definition of an inconsistent QB. Perception by the media is everything.

(09-24-2015, 10:19 AM)BengalChris Wrote: Eli is not elite and certainly not in the top 5 QBs. He has won two SBs and that's what puts him in the top 10, although at the low end of the top 10.

Eli controls his own play, nothing to do with the media. The media didn't win those two SB and all those playoff games.

(09-24-2015, 03:28 AM)West Union KennyG Wrote: If anything, I have a tendency to get more dramatic when the conversation is largely one sided in a way I see as mostly unfair.  
Still, I'll stand by my top 10 statement, and others can call me what they want.  I know what I see in this kid, and I find him impressive - he's a winner.  Take his total wins and compare them to other QBS in the league.  I know it's a team sport, but as the point person for the offense, that's a lot of wins.  Some might even say, top 10 caliber.  So there.

(09-24-2015, 12:10 PM)WhoDeyWho Wrote: I thought teams win SB?  

(09-24-2015, 12:38 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I wouldn't put him there yet, although I think he has the potential and I can see why some believe he's there or close to it. If you look at the wins, the stats and accomplishments without looking at the name, he's done some impressive things.

That said, I can't view him as top 10 until he shows me a full season with a passer rating in the 90's and a lower INT%. If he does that this season, I may be right there with ya.

(09-24-2015, 02:06 PM)jj22 Wrote: Question.

Is Dalton a warm weather qb? All this talk about our fast starts (specifically his), is it possible he'd be a better qb in a dome, or warm weather city? I think he falters late in the season, and I think there is a correlation with the weather change.... It's hard for me to act like he's improved because he's always started out strong. We won't know if he's really improved until Nov.

Thoughts?

(09-24-2015, 02:09 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: Wasn't his career month November a few years back? 

(09-24-2015, 02:12 PM)jj22 Wrote: October I thought. But I could be wrong. 2013 maybe? But I thought he won the player of the month award in October.

(09-24-2015, 02:12 PM)djs7685 Wrote: October