(03-29-2021, 02:52 PM)Destro Wrote: Good teams don't draft in the top 10/5/1 for years. We are not a good team. If the BPA is a QB do we draft one? How did we end up with John Ross? You don't reach, but BPA is when you have wants, not needs. 

Sewell likely won't be Willie Anderson 2.0, but that is a position group that has struggled for years and has to be addressed. Receivers were not the worst position group on the team. They are not the group that have been ranked towards the bottom of the league again and again. These "weapons" don't help the run game, which if it remains poor, is dangerous for the QB. If he has no time to drop back and have receivers run routes, that weapon means nothing. They can double our "best receiver" because they can get pressure/sacks with the front four against our poor O-line. 

The settling for lower ranked O-line in later rounds to get another receiver who won't finish his route before the whistle blows is crazy. Burrow is a massive investment for the team and having the best protection for him is important. Otherwise, we are likely looing at the back-up QB again. 

(03-29-2021, 02:52 PM)Destro Wrote: Good teams don't draft in the top 10/5/1 for years. We are not a good team. If the BPA is a QB do we draft one? How did we end up with John Ross? You don't reach, but BPA is when you have wants, not needs. 

Sewell likely won't be Willie Anderson 2.0, but that is a position group that has struggled for years and has to be addressed. Receivers were not the worst position group on the team. They are not the group that have been ranked towards the bottom of the league again and again. These "weapons" don't help the run game, which if it remains poor, is dangerous for the QB. If he has no time to drop back and have receivers run routes, that weapon means nothing. They can double our "best receiver" because they can get pressure/sacks with the front four against our poor O-line. 

The settling for lower ranked O-line in later rounds to get another receiver who won't finish his route before the whistle blows is crazy. Burrow is a massive investment for the team and having the best protection for him is important. Otherwise, we are likely looing at the back-up QB again. 

(03-29-2021, 03:19 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: I'm a huge fan of both Chase and Sewell, and think the Bengals are in a great situation no matter which one they take.

If they land Chase and say Leatherwood...that's a pretty damn impressive haul. If they take Sewell, and can get someone like Dyami Brown...I'll be pretty stoked as well. 

(03-29-2021, 01:12 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: And Chase isn't the only WR.

At least if they were passing on the best OL in the draft for Pitts they'd be getting a unique talent. 

This is a bad look if the best OL is on the board and they pass. Especially when they go DE in round 2.

(03-29-2021, 04:03 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: I like all three; Pitts,Chase, and Sewell. That said, Chase is the best WR available. He was the best WR on a historic LSU Championship team. He won the Belitnikoff award in 2019. He already has an excellent rapport with JB.

We can get a stud O-lineman in the second. A stud!! Barring this NE scuttlebutt, I think it's close to a done deal. 
Chase was the best WR on a team that included Justin Jefferson. Think about it for a moment? We're going to have a much improved line this season. Pollack will see to that.

(03-29-2021, 03:42 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I really like Brown, another guy I'd be stoked about would be if they took Sewell and then took Marshall Jr in round 2. Both would be a nice addition to the WR room.

(03-29-2021, 04:10 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: That is a huge drop-off from the top 3, I'm so tired of having to settle for guys on the line with "limitations" when you have the chance to take a guy that has such a high ceiling in Sewell or the versatile and finished product of Slater.

(03-29-2021, 04:24 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Depends who you ask. Daniel Jeremiah for example doesn’t even have Darrisaw in his top 3 OT’s.

(03-29-2021, 04:30 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: So it is only a true top 2 then.

Which makes it even worse to skip on the BPA and at a position of need. 

Is what it is though.

They'll draft Chase, run out a rag tag O-line again, and people who were all in on Chase will spend the season blaming coaching and the poor O-line play as the losses pile up again, not once taking the moment to realize that they were completely wrong on what needed to be addressed and the team gave them exactly what they were asking for.

And then next season, we can do this dance again in the draft and spend the top 5 to top 10 pick we have on the flashy TE, or Edge Rusher or CB that we just have to have.

Someday Tobin has to retire and Mike Brown has to die... maybe then we'll build a team the right way.

(03-29-2021, 12:43 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: Yup, goes against everything I believe but I’m on board if it’s what Joe wants. He knows what it’s like playing behind this o line and he knows what it’s like throwing to Chase. If he says Chase is the pick there then I’m on board. Would feel better if we could sign another guard who can come in and start right away but there’s always round 2 I guess.

(03-29-2021, 04:30 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: So it is only a true top 2 then.

Which makes it even worse to skip on the BPA and at a position of need. 

Is what it is though.

They'll draft Chase, run out a rag tag O-line again, and people who were all in on Chase will spend the season blaming coaching and the poor O-line play as the losses pile up again, not once taking the moment to realize that they were completely wrong on what needed to be addressed and the team gave them exactly what they were asking for.

And then next season, we can do this dance again in the draft and spend the top 5 to top 10 pick we have on the flashy TE, or Edge Rusher or CB that we just have to have.

Someday Tobin has to retire and Mike Brown has to die... maybe then we'll build a team the right way.

(03-29-2021, 04:44 PM)yang Wrote: Pro Sewell peeps always tend to overlook or downplay the effect Chase will have on the offense.  He does improve Boyd and Higgins.  We were one of the worst teams (PFF) at WR separation.  Chase him an open target to release the ball quicker.  He gives him a reciever he has a connection with when he has to scramble.  It opens up the run game by having a good passing attack.  

And we can get an OT i the 2nd like eichenburg and starting guard in the 3rd or 4th 

(03-29-2021, 04:44 PM)yang Wrote: Pro Sewell peeps always tend to overlook or downplay the effect Chase will have on the offense.  He does improve Boyd and Higgins.  We were one of the worst teams (PFF) at WR separation.  Chase him an open target to release the ball quicker.  He gives him a reciever he has a connection with when he has to scramble.  It opens up the run game by having a good passing attack.  

And we can get an OT i the 2nd like eichenburg and starting guard in the 3rd or 4th 

(03-29-2021, 04:46 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Well, the top two OT’s taken last year were Andrew Thomas and Jedrick Willis. The former wasn’t great and the latter was just ok.

The next two taken? Mekhi Becton and Tristan Wirfs. Both absolute studs. Taking the first or even second OT doesn’t guarantee he’ll be the best.

(03-29-2021, 04:46 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Well, the top two OT’s taken last year were Andrew Thomas and Jedrick Willis. The former wasn’t great and the latter was just ok.

The next two taken? Mekhi Becton and Tristan Wirfs. Both absolute studs. Taking the first or even second OT doesn’t guarantee he’ll be the best.

(03-29-2021, 05:02 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: How many Championship teams had a poor o-line?

(03-29-2021, 05:08 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: very few

but I suppose somebody will come with a PFF stat saying that the 2015 broncos line was below average or something