(05-28-2025, 11:48 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I didn't say that any of the starters should play "a lot", I said that the entire offense should run a couple of series together and then allow the OL to play into the second QTR. This is also good as it gives your #2 skill players some reps with the starting OL, and allows the opportunity for example the backup Center to operate with the rest of the starting OL.

(05-29-2025, 11:55 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Looks like Bengals are currently planning on the following starting OL based on practices:
LT - OBJ
LG - Fairchild
C - Karras
RG - Patrick
RT - Mims

That would make sense given Fairchild was the starting LG at Georgia, so staying at LG should be easier for him.
Lucas Patrick though hasn't played significant snaps at RG since 2020. That season, he played 708 of his 939 offensive snaps at RG, allowing 3 sacks and 16 total pressures across those 939 offensive snaps. I don't have the breakdown just for RG snaps.

Quote:After failing to make the postseason in 2024, the Cincinnati Bengals have re-tooled this offseason with the hopes of getting back to playoffs for the first time since their AFC championship loss in 2022.

Over the last few months, they've replaced their defensive coordinator, moved on from a bunch of veterans, signed a few themselves and added a slew of rookies both as draft picks and undrafted free agents.

In total, Cincinnati signed 13 undrafted players to their roster this offseason, with eight on the offensive side of the ball, four on defense and one long snapper.

While the group is made up of talented first-year players, wide receiver Jordan Moore is already turning heads and receiving praise from his coaches at the Bengals' organized teams activities (OTAs).

"He's an A+ young man, fits our culture, and wants to be great," Bengals wideout coach Troy Walters told Bengals radio voice Dan Hoard. "He's coachable, and I'm excited to have him as one of our guys."

Moore, 23, was a three-star recruit out of Loyola Blakefield in Towson, Maryland before committing to Duke University for the 2021 season.

Over his four seasons with the Blue Devils, the 6-foot, 188-pound wideout appeared in 48 games, catching 172 passes for 2,289 yards and 20 touchdowns and rushing for another 256 yards and three scores on 4.9 yards per attempt. He also earned All-ACC honors in his final two collegiate seasons.

Cincinnati has a pretty deep wide receiver room with Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins leading the pack and Andrei Iosivas lining up in the slot. Moore would have to really impress if he wants to earn a spot over guys like Jermain Burton, Charlie Jones, Kendric Pryor, Cole Burgess, Isaiah Williams, Mitchell Tinsley and two other undrafted rookies (Rashod Owens and Jamoi Mayes).

If he shows out throughout the rest of the offseason program, the undrafted rookie could end serving as a depth option in Cincinnati's wide receiver room as well as a special teams contributor in his first professional season.

(05-29-2025, 11:55 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Looks like Bengals are currently planning on the following starting OL based on practices:
LT - OBJ
LG - Fairchild
C - Karras
RG - Patrick
RT - Mims

That would make sense given Fairchild was the starting LG at Georgia, so staying at LG should be easier for him.
Lucas Patrick though hasn't played significant snaps at RG since 2020. That season, he played 708 of his 939 offensive snaps at RG, allowing 3 sacks and 16 total pressures across those 939 offensive snaps. I don't have the breakdown just for RG snaps.

(05-29-2025, 12:08 PM)Clark W Griswold Wrote: This is what I thought the first team OL would be.  
Would have preferred a higher caliber vet like Scherff but at least they are not rolling out the same 2 turnstile guards from last year.

(05-29-2025, 01:37 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Exactly what I thought the starting OL would look like and I think it should be an upgrade over the Volson/Cappa line.

Plus with Mims going into his second season and having great experience, he should be better. Karras not having to play with the 
worst Guards in the NFL on both sides of him should also help him.

(05-29-2025, 01:17 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It appears that Jordan Moore our UDFA WR out of Duke is getting some notice in the OTAs. What I would like to know is how stacked must this year's WR class have been for a 2 time All-ACC player to go undrafted?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bengals-undrafted-free-agent-already-garnering-hype-at-cincinnati-s-otas/ar-AA1FIT3y?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=41f3d57b8efd41bbf361cc49e8becfdf&ei=10

(05-29-2025, 08:42 PM)c766 Wrote: Auden Tate and Damion Willis say hi

(05-28-2025, 04:27 PM)jj22 Wrote: NE (while not as slow of a start as we've seen with our Bengals), if they were to lose games would happen in week 1-5. After that the run started. It was like that every year.... 

Same with KC. 

The slow starts are an issue, but the championship teams we've seen this generation .... the best bet to defeat them did come in September before they licked in. 

I'd be curious to look back at the teams they play. We've just lost to some very bad teams (Cleveland, NE, No QB having Steelers) and that makes it all the worse.

(05-29-2025, 08:04 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'm probably more negative of Lucas Patrick than I should be, but the dude hasn't played significant snaps at RG since 2020.
Between his nearly 500 snaps at LG last year and >900 snaps at both OG spots in 2020 though (the only two years he played a good number of snaps at OG), he only allowed 3 sacks and 26 total pressures, so he may be ok.
I just am very nervous for someone who hasn't been a full-season starter at OG in 5 years.

And as much optimism as I may have in Fairchild's potential, there's a reason he wasn't projected as a 1st rounder and didn't go until 3rd round. He does have some growth/work to do.

So while I am not ready to say it's much of an upgrade over the previous guys, I am willing to say there's more optimism than before.

(05-29-2025, 09:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I realize I'm a glass-half-full fan, and that doesn't often play well around here, but we could look at every Preseason since Zac has been here and easily identify a probable cause.

Year 1- Rookie season and turning over the roster of a team that hadn't had a winning record in 3 years

Year 2- New QB with no Training Camp due to Covid (Also, Zac's last losing season)

Year 3- Sophomore QB recovering from a ACL tear

Year 4- QB devastated by a ruptured Appendix committed 5 turnovers in an opening 3-point loss to PIT

Year 5- QB suffered a calf injury in which he never recovered from until about week 6

Year 6- Qb returning from a season-ending wrist injury, star WR disrupts the entire preseason with antics, and #2 WR out

Year 7- Looking good so far (4 the offense)

(05-29-2025, 08:04 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'm probably more negative of Lucas Patrick than I should be, but the dude hasn't played significant snaps at RG since 2020.
Between his nearly 500 snaps at LG last year and >900 snaps at both OG spots in 2020 though (the only two years he played a good number of snaps at OG), he only allowed 3 sacks and 26 total pressures, so he may be ok.
I just am very nervous for someone who hasn't been a full-season starter at OG in 5 years.

And as much optimism as I may have in Fairchild's potential, there's a reason he wasn't projected as a 1st rounder and didn't go until 3rd round. He does have some growth/work to do.

So while I am not ready to say it's much of an upgrade over the previous guys, I am willing to say there's more optimism than before.

(05-30-2025, 09:48 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Yeah, the 1st round was pretty much taken over by Defensive players (they even said prior to the draft that Offensive linemen would not go until the 2nd or 3rd.) and Fairchild played all of last year with a calf injury. He gave up one sack in 787 pass block reps. I think he's going to be fine.

(05-30-2025, 09:55 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I think he will become a fine Guard, but he did only start two years in college, and I thought (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that he didn't play much football growing up.
I know he was a really damn good wrestler in high school though, and those skills obviously help.
All I'm saying is he may not be great right out of the gate and there might be some growing pains as he gets comfortable with the offense and just adapts to NFL players in general.

(05-30-2025, 10:14 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: If he was only a starter for two years at Georgia, it's likely because he had to wait his turn, not because he wasn't good enough. Georgia has been pumping out high quality OL for a good while now.

(05-30-2025, 10:14 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: If he was only a starter for two years at Georgia, it's likely because he had to wait his turn, not because he wasn't good enough. Georgia has been pumping out high quality OL for a good while now.

(05-30-2025, 10:20 AM)samhain Wrote: I'm hoping that he's Clint Boling 2.0.  Doesn't have to be a superstar.  He just needs to be better than the guys out there last year.  That requires little a baseline level of NFL competency.  

Only difference here is that Boling was never meant to start in year one.  He was slotted in after Wharton went down in he preseason.  

Fairchild may or may not work out, but putting Burrow's health in the hands of a 3rd round rookie still seems pretty malpracticey.  9 is not built to take the number of hits he has over the course of his career.  The longer they go with crap interior line play, the shorter his time to win a title in Cincinnati will get.

(05-30-2025, 10:20 AM)samhain Wrote: I'm hoping that he's Clint Boling 2.0.  Doesn't have to be a superstar.  He just needs to be better than the guys out there last year.  That requires little a baseline level of NFL competency.  

Only difference here is that Boling was never meant to start in year one.  He was slotted in after Wharton went down in he preseason.  

Fairchild may or may not work out, but putting Burrow's health in the hands of a 3rd round rookie still seems pretty malpracticey.  9 is not built to take the number of hits he has over the course of his career.  The longer they go with crap interior line play, the shorter his time to win a title in Cincinnati will get.