(11-26-2018, 03:38 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: Your comments are asinine and show an extreme lack of knowledge.  Daltons value isn't going down if he doesn't play. Teams know what Dalton brings to the table. If he doesn't play it won't hurt his value at all.

Cutting him won't cost the Bengals any money and trading him isn't that easy because not a lot of teams don't want to eat 16 million for a qb that they would rate as their possible backup.  I made the assumption it would be hard to get any value for Dalton because of how teams view him as a player. 

If he can be traded then fine try and get a second or third rounder for him. You miss the main point of the statement . We need to go in a different direction with this team and it starts with the qb.

It's not as if he gets the starting spot automatically for a lot of teams. I guarantee you most teams view Dalton as a Fitzpatrick type of player. 

Secondly, who says to bench him, theirs a chance he got a serious enough injury that it'll keep him out for the last five games of the season. 

(11-26-2018, 03:46 PM)Au165 Wrote: If a team benches their starting QB for a back up the value drops because you don't believe in what you are selling. If I work for Apple and use a Samsung what does it say about what I'm selling? If he doesn't play for injury there is no value lost, if you bench him for a back up he takes a hit...it's that simple. Especially when the back up is a former practice squad player lol.

Cutting him is still stupid. $16 Million for a starting QB is the least of any non starting QB in the NFL. The Redskins gave a a 3rd and Kyle Fuller (a solid young CB) for Alex Smith who had a more expensive contract.

I missed nothing, Driskell isn't the answer and any plan revolving around a possibility he could be is ill advised. No one is comparing Dalton to Fitzpatrick, it's laughable to compare them.

Report is it is a sprained thumb, could miss a week or two but not season ending. Hence why I said if it pleases the "back up QB  fan club" hold him back two weeks then bring him back in to close out the season. 

(11-26-2018, 03:56 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: Obviously its implied I would cut him only we cant get and value for him. I made the assumption its more likely he can't be traded because of his salary and how gm's view him as a player. Keep in mind when you make stupid comments that it isn't how you view Dalton its how other teams view Dalton. 

Your'e making an assumption he's out two weeks. Why even take a chance bringing Dalton back and having him get a more serious injury which would then hurt his value even more.Then the Bengals almost guaranteed will not be able to get any value.

(11-26-2018, 03:59 PM)Au165 Wrote: The report I saw from a sports medical personality was two weeks. 

(11-26-2018, 03:59 PM)Au165 Wrote: In a league where Mike Glennon got signed to be a starter....twice, and Sam Bradford keeps getting jobs he will be valued plenty highly enough. Keenum makes more than Dalton and Keenum is not better than Dalton.

The report I saw from a sports medical personality was two weeks. Also not an injury that should get worse with use, more of a pain threshold issue. 

(11-26-2018, 04:12 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: Teams signed Fitzpatrick for 2 million base and Bradford for 5 million yet you think Daltons 16 million a year contract is easy to trade. What delusional universe do you live in ?

Dalton's trade value was at a peak level 4 years ago. We could have got a first rounder for Dalton back then, now we'd be lucky to get a third rounder for him. That's assuming he can even be traded. 

He's only got two more years on his contract and teams won't want to give up a high draft pick for a player that they will only get for a couple years.

(11-26-2018, 12:59 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: The Browns weren't playing a soft defense. Driskell was getting blitzed like 50% of the time and the Browns were still playing press coverage. Also, its a whole hell of a lot easier for the pass rush to pin their ears back and rush the QB when they basically know a pass is coming every down.

(11-26-2018, 01:52 PM)Au165 Wrote: This is AJ McCaron all over again. There is a reason no one wanted to offer McCaron a real contract and it's the same reason Driskell is not a starter. There is more to a game than seeing completions, understandings situations and what the defense was doing is important to match to the numbers. Driskell has done well in garbage time, but it is not the same thing schematically as what he'd see in a 0-0 game on the first drive, it just isn't.

His mobility is a plus, and being down so much emboldens him to make some risky throws that sometime pan out. He has a plus arm, but his pre read work is not very good and that is something that he should have from week to week game prep.

(11-26-2018, 02:23 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I think that stems from the offensive line and playcalling and the stupid rotating RBs more than the anything else.

(11-26-2018, 04:16 PM)Au165 Wrote: I said because they, meaning guys like Glennon and Bradford, keep getting signed people will value him. This was a nod to the fact that good QB's are needed in the league. I told you Smith had a larger contract when he got traded and you ignored it. I told you he is better than Case Keenum, who by the way is making more than Dalton, and you ignore it. $16 Million a year for a starting QB is NOTHING.

He can be traded and it really hasn't made much of a difference in that realm. I'd expect a similar take as to what Chiefs got for Alex Smith. 3rd and a player would be the starting point and the player better be young and high upside.

Alex Smith only had a year left when he was traded and they immediately extended him to a much larger deal.

(11-26-2018, 04:23 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Driskel may never become an average to above average starter in the NFL, but he's nothing like McCarron. He's bigger, more mobile and has a stronger arm. 

He should get a chance to show what he can or can't do against a good defense this coming Sunday.

(11-26-2018, 04:23 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Driskel may never become an average to above average starter in the NFL, but he's nothing like McCarron. He's bigger, more mobile and has a stronger arm. 

He should get a chance to show what he can or can't do against a good defense this coming Sunday.

(11-26-2018, 03:41 PM)Wyche Wrote: I agree, and he'd be a great fit in JAX.  I noted in another thread, if the thumb is not 100%, sit him this week at least.  It is his throwing hand, afterall.  If we're looking to move on, get him back in there to finish the season when he's healed, and market the shit out of him.

The only thing I'll disagree on, I think Driskel's at least more entertaining to watch than AJM.

(11-26-2018, 04:25 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Lazor would have to be a complete moron to not try and run the ball more this week. 

(11-26-2018, 04:28 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: Keenum had a good year in 2017. His qb rating was 98.3. Teams viewed him as a top 10 qb in the off season. The vikings had a decent year and he had max value when he signed for 18 million. 

Daltons qb rating right now is 89.6 which ranks hims 22 in the league. 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/qb-rating-nfl

(11-26-2018, 04:28 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote:  He's viewed as a bottom 10 qb by almost all the gms in the league. 

(11-26-2018, 04:29 PM)Au165 Wrote: He is McCarron when you turn on the tape. Physical attributes are cool, but Blake Bortles is everything you just described and I wouldn't want him playing QB for me. He can make the easy reads, see his throw to Boyd on a seam against cover 2, and does well on the move but in the pocket has accuracy issues and dissecting tougher reads pre snap. 

I actually think if he does have to start we'd be better off getting him on the run. Use a lot of bootlegs and sprint outs to give him an RG3 style two read and run offense. 

(11-26-2018, 04:34 PM)Au165 Wrote: Keenum hit FA at the right time. Case Keenum had 28 previous starts in his career telling you he wasn't the guy he was last year. John Elway swung and struck out for the third time on a QB. I think Elway simply struggles to find QB's. Funny enough, Dalton has a higher QB rating right now than that very same Case Keenum.

Dalton has a history of being an average to above average starting QB. Again, Dalton would command a deal similar to Alex Smith. A team like the Jaguars or Broncos would jump at the chance for Dalton because they can win now. He is consistent and you know what he will be roughly each season.

I'm not here to tell you Dalton is the answer here, especially at where we are now, but he can play in the NFL and teams know that.