(05-20-2022, 02:40 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Hell Green Bay had a 4th RD rookie starting at OG

(05-20-2022, 02:51 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Can’t that was the word used to me. Didn’t ask for further elaboration. I’d assume he wasn’t pushed hard. Came in soft. Wasn’t tough. Wasn’t a hard worker. Dunno

(05-20-2022, 03:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Green Bay Packers right guard Royce Newman has played 646 snaps from scrimmage. That’s the third-most among all rookie offensive linemen.  There have been growing pains.

“I would say he’s inconsistent,” offensive line coach Adam Stenavich said after Wednesday’s practice.

Overall, of the 75 guards at that 175-snap threshold, Newman ranks 51st in PFF’s protection metric. That shows, just like players at every other position, it’s difficult to play consistently winning football as a rookie lineman, 

(05-20-2022, 03:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Green Bay Packers right guard Royce Newman has played 646 snaps from scrimmage. That’s the third-most among all rookie offensive linemen.  There have been growing pains.

“I would say he’s inconsistent,” offensive line coach Adam Stenavich said after Wednesday’s practice.

Overall, of the 75 guards at that 175-snap threshold, Newman ranks 51st in PFF’s protection metric. That shows, just like players at every other position, it’s difficult to play consistently winning football as a rookie lineman, 

(05-20-2022, 02:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'll never fault anyone for being too optimistic.

WTS, I hope Jackson wins the starting LG gig; he has the best pedigree of those contending. I will take exception when anyone says "We're in big trouble if Volson is starting". 

(05-20-2022, 04:06 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I am pretty sure whoever said this had no idea what he was talking about.  But my question to you is "Why have a conversation with a person if you have no clue what they are talking about.

Clemson was arguably the top program in the entire country when Carman played.  He played quite a bit as a true freshman on a National Championship team and started every game as a sophomore earning All-ACC recognition for another team that made the Cham[pionship game.

How the hell would a guy who was "soft" and "not tough" and "not a hard worker" accomplish all of that.  I guess the other 20 O-linemen on Clemson's roster were babied even MORE than Carman, right?

(05-20-2022, 04:18 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: that's not what you stated originally, so just stop. 
Examples were given that refuted your comments, stop trying to move the chain.

Even you know that there is always exceptions

(05-20-2022, 04:35 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'm going to back Fred on this.
What he said was not exactly what he meant.
"We're in big trouble if Volson is starting" really meant that it's going to be risky gambling on Volson performing well if he starts as a rookie, based on past trends of 4th round OL.

(05-20-2022, 04:30 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I do, but that's because I'm in software industry and involved with testing.
Whenever someone gives an "optimistic" timeline for when things will get done, it almost always goes well beyond timelines or requires things to get cut out of scope because too many issues are found.

(05-20-2022, 04:50 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Giving we go with what Fred meant as opposed to said. I gave 2 example as recent as last year of 2 of the better teams in the NFL (many considered THE 2 BEST) of GB and KC that started late round rookie interior olinemen.  

(05-19-2022, 08:52 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Atkins was All Pro 3 times.

Pro Bowl 8 times.

Zero starts as a rookie.

(05-19-2022, 12:18 PM)ochocincos Wrote: So the ONLY way that a 4th round rookie coming from the FCS doesn't get the starting LG job is due to politics?
Not because he might have a learning curve/adjustment going from FCS college to the NFL?

Most people feel that if there's a bona fide starter as a rookie, that player would go early in the draft.
Since you seem to be very adamant that Volson deserves that spot, do you feel he should have gone on Day 1 or early Day 2?
Wouldn't many draft analysts feel that way about Volson then to not project him as a Day 3 pick?

(05-20-2022, 04:50 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Giving we go with what Fred meant as opposed to said. I gave 2 example as recent as last year of 2 of the better teams in the NFL (many considered THE 2 BEST) of GB and KC that started late round rookie interior olinemen.  

(05-21-2022, 12:24 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Volson is not your typical 20-21 yr old draft pick. 

(05-21-2022, 12:41 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You do not even understand the discussion we are having.

I never said that no 4th round pick could stat.  I just said it would be a problem if he did.  So when ou posted an example of  rookie 5ht round pick starting for Green Bay i posted proof that he was having problems.

Trey Smith is an outlier that does not belong in this conversation.  If we had a three time All-SEC player that we had taken in the 4th round then I would not be saying the same thing about him.  Try Smith is an absolute stud.  If he does not have health problems then he will be on of the nbiggest draft steals in recent history.

(05-21-2022, 12:24 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Volson is not your typical 20-21 yr old draft pick. Absolutely no one is saying he's going to come in and "light it up", but it's not the end of the world either (except for Carman maybe) if he starts. Do we want this to happen? No, I'd rather Carman come in and play at a competent level, but my confidence in him is low.

I'd prefer we sign a vet to cover that position, but doesn't seem the Bengals wish to go that route.

(05-21-2022, 01:47 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Hell I'm not even saying I want CV to start; I want the 2nd rounder to live up to his draft status. I'm just saying that the team and an oline consisting of: Collins, Cappa, Karras, and Williams is not in trouble if we play a 4th rd rookie at LG. 

But apparently, that;s not what we're discussing...Don't ask me what we are discussing because it changes, but it damn sure ain't that. Maybe Ocho can tall us again what Fred means,,