(08-23-2024, 09:17 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I mean, Binns was an UDFA out of UC. Burton is a 3rd rounder that played at Georgia and Alabama. Yes, he did most of his damage against 2’s & 3’s this preseason, but the pedigree is there. It’s not like hyping up some total long shot.

(08-23-2024, 11:08 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Yes, its much different situation.  If you cut Burton you immediately have several teams putting in a waiver claim.  Even Binns had the Dolphins claim him off waivers.  But I dont get the Binns obsession by a couple of our fans.  He played in 8 games for the Bengals, had 18 receptions with 1 TD and 210 yards for almost 12 yards per reception.  There have been far worse WRs out there.

(08-23-2024, 11:08 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Yes, its much different situation.  If you cut Burton you immediately have several teams putting in a waiver claim.  Even Binns had the Dolphins claim him off waivers.  But I dont get the Binns obsession by a couple of our fans.  He played in 8 games for the Bengals, had 18 receptions with 1 TD and 210 yards for almost 12 yards per reception.  There have been far worse WRs out there.

(08-23-2024, 08:33 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: The bengals had the most productive offense against the 49ers all season last year.  That 4 game sample size with healthy burrow and was awesome.  70%+ completion, around 300 YPG passing, 9-2 TD/int ratio. Looking at around a 5000 yard season, lead league in tds.

Mixon added 3 tds on the ground.

From a PPG basis that comes out To just around 25 PPG, a little less.  Would have been good for 7th best overall.

Long story short, it was a bad year all around from the word go.  Injuries derailed the season in July.  

New year, different outcome.

(08-24-2024, 12:39 AM)bfine32 Wrote: No one is cutting Jermaine Burton. But it's safe to assume JB hasn't impressed in TC. When dude was drafted it was asserted he was going to take on JaMarr's role while JC moved into the slot. It now appears he's #6 receiving option at best. 

(08-24-2024, 05:44 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: What would the numbers be like if you did the same for EVERY team's best 4 game stretch of the season and not just the Bengals? 

Because the Bears had a 4 game stretch where they scored 27.75 ppg. But were 21.2 ppg on the season.
The Browns had a 4 game stretch where they scored 31 ppg. But were 23.3 ppg on the season.
Even the pathetic Panthers had a 4 game stretch where they scored 21.25 points per game instead of their season total of 13.9 ppg.

If we just take 4 games and expand it to a season Flacco would have crushed Burrow in yards (5,788) and TDs (47).
Justin Fields would also throw 42 TDs, which would be more than Burrow.
Sam Howell would throw for 5,482 yards and 38 TDs with a 68.8% completion.
Russell Wilson would have thrown 38 TDs, too with the same 9:2 ratio as Burrow.

Much like a couple years ago when the story was "if they just won the 1-score games!" when if everyone won every 1-score game that year there would have only been 2 teams left with a losing record at 7-9. If you take everyone's best 4-game stretch of a season, the vast majority of players would have absurd numbers.

(08-23-2024, 09:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote:

Quote:...during the 2008 preseason, Simpson caught 11 passes for 157 yards receiving.

  

(08-24-2024, 11:00 AM)QueenCity Wrote: I've taken a ton of Burton in my Draft Kings Best Balls this year... as a Bengals fan and as a gambler I'm disappointed in hearing about his struggles.

Sounds like he isn't getting on the field unless there is some injuries.

Hopefully he takes this year as a learning lesson on how to be a professional and with Higgins likely gone next season he jumps into that #2 spot.

(08-24-2024, 12:22 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: It's not 100% about low production. A lot of it is all the hype behind him during camp and then no production by Binns

(08-24-2024, 12:39 AM)bfine32 Wrote: No one is cutting Jermaine Burton. But it's safe to assume JB hasn't impressed in TC. When dude was drafted it was asserted he was going to take on JaMarr's role while JC moved into the slot. It now appears he's #6 receiving option at best. 

(08-24-2024, 01:53 PM)Whatever Wrote: To further expand on this, it's really late draft pick/CFA/waiver claim+insane hype+poor production=Binns comparisons.

It's kind of an offshoot of the fact that the majority of  board members prefer a "trenches first" team building philosophy, which is fine, but then fall back on "I think X we took in the 6th round last year is going to be a plus starter" as a way to defend not addressing skill positions on offense in their mock off-seasons and drafts.  Since it's kind of a yearly thing, it falls back to Binns comparisons.

Ironically, I don't recall us being very WR poor during Binns' brief tenure.  He just got overhyped because he was a UC guy, imo.

(08-24-2024, 01:52 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: How has he struggled? Just because he isn't the outright #3 right now and the coaches are testing him?

All Jermaine Burton did was be our best offensive player in the Preseason.

(08-24-2024, 04:56 PM)QueenCity Wrote: He's sleeping during meetings evidently. 

Has nothing to do with his performance it's the little things at practice that he's screwing up on.

I’m sure it’s college. But dang fellas. Kid has been working his tail off in camp is what I heard from staff while up there. As I laughed with @AndrewWhitworth and Paul in our interview “ no one slept more than me in meetings!” But I paid attention while doing it ?…

— Willie Anderson (@BigWillie7179) August 23, 2024

(08-24-2024, 05:27 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That has not been confirmed to be in Cincinnati. There’s speculation it could have happened in the ST room, but I find it pretty unlikely this coaching staff (or other players) would leak it to Al Michaels and Kirk Herbstreit of all people. It might be something from his college days.

I’m sure it’s college. But dang fellas. Kid has been working his tail off in camp is what I heard from staff while up there. As I laughed with @AndrewWhitworth and Paul in our interview “ no one slept more than me in meetings!” But I paid attention while doing it ?…

— Willie Anderson (@BigWillie7179) August 23, 2024

(08-24-2024, 05:27 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That has not been confirmed to be in Cincinnati. There’s speculation it could have happened in the ST room, but I find it pretty unlikely this coaching staff (or other players) would leak it to Al Michaels and Kirk Herbstreit of all people. It might be something from his college days.

I’m sure it’s college. But dang fellas. Kid has been working his tail off in camp is what I heard from staff while up there. As I laughed with @AndrewWhitworth and Paul in our interview “ no one slept more than me in meetings!” But I paid attention while doing it ?…

— Willie Anderson (@BigWillie7179) August 23, 2024

(08-24-2024, 01:56 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Probably right, also Iosivas would be the dude to compare to Binns and I think Iosivas will be much better than him.

(08-24-2024, 11:32 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Binns played in 8 games his rookie season, had 18 catches for 210 yards which averages to 11.7 yards per reception.

Iosivas played in 16 games his rookie season, had 15 catches for 116 yards which averages to 7.7 yards per reception.

The big difference is Binns had 1 TD in those 8 game, Iosivas had 4 in his 16 games.

(08-23-2024, 11:08 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Yes, its much different situation.  If you cut Burton you immediately have several teams putting in a waiver claim.  Even Binns had the Dolphins claim him off waivers.  But I dont get the Binns obsession by a couple of our fans.  He played in 8 games for the Bengals, had 18 receptions with 1 TD and 210 yards for almost 12 yards per reception.  There have been far worse WRs out there.