(01-06-2025, 12:07 PM)Bengalion Wrote: As much as I dislike Lou, he had one of the worst rosters to work with. Not even Spags could make a secondary composed of Geno Stone, CTB and Josh Newton work. Lou's going to be the sacrifical lamb, but the idiot ruining this team is safe and he won't be fired not matter what. Tobin is the one who should be fired.

Thank you Lou.

(01-06-2025, 12:26 PM)Timanky12 Wrote: It’s a team game, you need defense as well as offense. One score games and can’t beat the AFC north is a major problem.

(01-06-2025, 04:39 PM)Wyche Wrote: Absolutely agree Duke Tobin and his four scouts are the REAL problem.

(01-06-2025, 04:44 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: Weren't they .500 in the division this year? Looked pretty good against the division in 21 and 22 as well.

(01-06-2025, 12:55 PM)SladeX Wrote: Which brings me to the next issue.


More and better scouting please. Stop making the coaches scout, and let them concentrate on developing their players.

I honestly don’t know if Tobin needs fired, or if he just needs better information.

(01-06-2025, 11:50 AM)kalibengal Wrote: Im surprised , but really wanted to see ZT on this...
that said:
Im hoping for a D coach thats willing to use and develop young talent and to switch to more of a speed rusher type of edge players VS the sam hubbard types

(01-06-2025, 04:07 PM)Wyche Wrote: You're surprised that three coaches involved with a bottom 5 defense were canned, but you want to can the guy responsible for a 6th ranked offense? Dafuq?

(01-06-2025, 11:55 AM)Trademark Wrote: Can they fire Zac too ?

(01-06-2025, 04:53 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: If our coach was just about anybody else having the #30 best OL yet #6 offense he’d be a hero. The stats available out there for ownership and head coaches dwarfs what PFF or Goodberry or whodathunkit has. The stats on defense are pretty damning. The offense with a crap OL was incredible. 

(01-06-2025, 02:25 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Is Zac the HC or OC? I'm going to judge him on what he does with the whole team, not just the offense. He always brings the team into the season unprepared and in a hole. He never can do anything with the defense apparently. We spend more than almost everyone in the league on defensive players and apparently he's a bad evaluater for those players as well. Sure, he does well with a top 2 QB and the best reciever in the league with another #1 along side him. I have no doubt that any coach could have the offense firing with those players. Zac has underperformed and underwhelmed since he got here.

(01-06-2025, 04:58 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Poor Zac, all he has to work with is arguably the best QB in football, and the best WR. Look at what he’s done with so little!

(01-06-2025, 04:58 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Poor Zac, all he has to work with is arguably the best QB in football, and the best WR. Look at what he’s done with so little!

(01-06-2025, 02:35 PM)WhoDeyK Wrote: The logic is simple. A team that wants to win never turns down an opportunity to improve. Maybe I should have said the offense can reach another level under Ben Johnson instead of cook. Still the offense did well this year more because of Joe, Jamar and company not Zac Taylor. Zac’s offensive scheme puts the most pressure possible on Joe and the offensive line and his play calling is predictable and often head scratching. Ben Johnson is innovative and helps his offense by play design. He elevates his talent. I can only imagine what he could do with Joe as his QB. But it’s a moot point now as Zac is staying, so I’m just hoping he can make adjustments and evolve.

(01-06-2025, 02:44 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: If we underschieve next year, Duke and ZT are gone, too. 

(01-06-2025, 05:09 PM)Wyche Wrote: Johnson has an all world offensive line. Let's not underestimate that advantage. I get it, everyone likes the shiny stuff, but as an old lineman, I hate seeing that being ignored.

(01-06-2025, 05:07 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: .....and the two worst guards in the entire NFL. Getting beat at the point of attack CONSTANTLY stifles a lot of things that you could be doing, and keeps your all world QB on the run at an alarming rate. But you know this .....or you should. 

(01-06-2025, 04:53 PM)Nepa Wrote: The reports I'm seeing are that Zac was the one that made the call on firing them. I don't know if that is confirmed. 

I don't know how much the lousy defense was Lou and how much it was the lousy draft picks. I'd  loved to be a fly on the wall as the draft boards were constructed in recent years in order to discern how much input the coaches gave into the draft picks and whose to blame for those picks. Regardless, it was clear that something had to happen on defense and the OL side of coaching. My suspicion is that, given the small scouting department, the coaches were also responsible in a large part for the lousy drafting. We might not only improve the defense and OL but also the drafting.

(01-06-2025, 04:58 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Poor Zac, all he has to work with is arguably the best QB in football, and the best WR. Look at what he’s done with so little!

(01-06-2025, 05:12 PM)Wyche Wrote: That's exactly what I would do.....but I'm afraid Lifer Tobin is latched onto the Son of Paul teet tighter than Piano Paul ever was!!!!

(01-06-2025, 05:14 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Best QB in football -  Mahomes, Jackson and Allen would disagree

Best WR in football - Jefferson and T. Hill may best also

Joe Burrow did great with a bad OL, Mahomes struggled with a bad OL even with arguably one of best guards and centers in the NFL and one of best TE's in the league. 

Ravens, Bills and Chiefs won die to a good (Ravens) to great defense (chiefs and bills).

Bengals scored more than 30 points and lost an NFL record 4 times.

If you are going to hate on Zac, averaging almost 30 points a game with offense he calls the play is a poor reason.